Maybe they say no because they are thinking on updating their work and dont want old stuff, that in their opinion could be outdated. Since Darknut, Vality and Connary are still alive and kicking and you can easily find their mods ( and all the downloads links are still working ), and they dont want to be part of the morrowind graphic overhaul ( the same was done with my umbra [ used without asking me first ] sword with OOO but since it was only a sword on a such huge mod i didnt care ) first i would remove their work from the package, it is their right and you cant denied it a lot of people used them without the help of any installer.

I agree that the idea of a single installer could be usefull in oder to spread them more widely, but first you have to ask the owner then, if they agree, release it.


PS: sorry but i care more about a fellow modder than any overhaul package, having any of the modders leave would be worse than not having the package released.

PPS: and well we forgot about http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=956115

yeah, you're right about permissions, king apologized and then he removed the dl and he's taking the mods that he doesn't have the permission to spread.
I was just trying to understand why you don't want your mods to be spreaded around...
if you say that connary doesn't want to include his mods due to a new version incoming then... what about vality and darknut? why don't you let spread your mods around?

I think that this compilation could be released even if (when) those mods will be update in future. Simply putting a sentence in the readme as a warning about that...
But I also believe that the only reason it will be no permission by them is that simply they haven't received a request asking for permission, simply this. Not that I can criticize them at all for this, when, in a readme, that is stated, you should ask for permissions.
I don't know if it's the first time such a thing happens, but I think you guys ( Darknut Vality etc.) should turn a blind eye to this, at least for this time... and at least you'll make some people happy it is a great compilation, who want to use it, use it, it's up to people to choose it.

p.s.: l'idea ? ottima ragazzi peccato per quello che sta succedendo

I agree with Xiran about the lack of request before the release, and as you stated King already alopogizes for that, i think, since the idea is quite interesting, that it will be possible an official release of this mod if you start to work in parallel with the TES comunity, having separated entities working on each others material could be problematic if you do without aknowledging the other part, working together in my opinion is the best idea, since i imagine it is in the whole comunity interest to have something like this, another problem would be to set a standard to it.

May be the first time in our community, (actually, I doubt that) but for one, I've seen it happen many times before, for different things. I don't like compilations myself because of the final product, this isn't a true compilation the community as a whole has strived and agreed apon to release, it's just one person who decided to download a ton of mods, think they look good, and make an installer for people to use.

We aren't turning a blind eye either, I state in all (I think all) of my readme's not to distribute my mods anywhere, I think Vality does too. If the maker didn't contact everyone to see if it was ok, it is slightly excusable because it can be troublesome to go about contacting a large amount of people, but he couldn't even read the readme's?

If we were turning a blind eye to this, we wouldn't have stated not to redistribute our mods, I probably wouldn't have put that if I didn't know what would happen to them if I did allow that.

For me the creation of this kind of packs for lazy people its a no way, definitely.

I can understand that some people want to play the game and dont worries at all about the modding scene, modders and the effort to learning and work to get the final results. They only want to install a game, install the must cool packs out there and play the upper duper mega game. The premise is that others do the work to find and decide which mods work well with others and repack the results in a practical way. This must be paid (to the original autors, of course) because becomes an extra-official final addon for the game. NO NO. Also this option can hide to the majority the existence of other many mods cause some people can consider the pack like a definitive option since this comes from the active community.
My only interest its to offer my work to active and interested people that can take its own decisions and read a couple of ''readme''. Lazy people its out of the equation.

The nice way its to share your opinion about your tastes and put some directions about how to install mods together or explain the problems inherent to try to modify and old engine. Mythic Mods anyone? Telesphoros anyone?

If Darknut, Vality, Antares, or every other modder in this community contacts me to try to put our effort in a single way to blend perfectly the results this can become a community mod. Clearly the initiative comes from the autors and we must debate to mix our works following our own criteria. YES YES

I'm doing this for personal reasons and to return the fabulous gifts that some other modders give to the community, yes a community not the mass of players.
Every one can download my mod but need to inquire first. If other member talk wonders about my works its perfect and i am happy because i know i am improving and doing things well in some way. All this explains that i need to control where to upload, what upload (which version or content), when delete my work, how to show it, etc....

The last thing is that this can create a bad preceding. External people can think that they can repack our work in his own way and interest. If this occurs i can say the community will die soon.

After thinking about it for a while, this really seems like the sort of thing that should be left for after the modding community is pretty much dead (may that be a very very long time in the future). If things were essentially static, it wouldn't matter so much is someone packaged a "best of." And since it would seem that most of the best active (and inactive probably) modders don't want their products locked up together, nothing that can be created can be a "best of." *shrugs* Anyway, it really isn't that hard to assemble a great looking Morrowind.

I don't know if you could make a "best of" even if the community were essentially dead (may it live long and prosper). People have very different tastes. I would say this project has some value as an introduction to what is available to Morrowind but not much else.

I don't have nearly as much work included here as some people, but I really would have appreciated hearing that my stuff was going into something like this instead of finding this thread through a random search on the forums.

Just pulled this from KingPix forum:

Posted By d00d3n

"Please do not water down the compilation by removing mods according to the wishes of the authors. They have no legal rights to mess with you (especially since you live in Italy) and their "code of honor" is stupid. They have no legal rights to mess with you (especially since you live in Italy) and their "code of honor" is stupid. They released their mods for free and you did them and us gamers a huge service by compiling them and removing conflicts and bugs. They released their mods for free and you did them and us gamers a huge service by compiling them and removing conflicts and bugs. You should of course give them credit for their work, but they have no say in how you organize your compilation. You should of course give them credit for their work, but they have no say in how you organize your compilation.

The advice you got on www.elderscrolls.com is biased from the perspective of a group of people who know how to mod morrowind and don't need your compilation anyway. The advice you got on www.elderscrolls.com is biased from the perspective of a group of people who know how to mod Morrowind and do not need your compilation anyway. The idea of downloading mods separately and you only supplying the installer is difficult to achieve technically and limits the usefulness of the compilation by making the installation process time consuming. The idea of downloading mods separately and you only supplying the installer is difficult to achieve technically and limits the usefulness of the compilation by making the time consuming installation process. The notion that a mod maker has the right to force his work off the internet altogether is absurd and shows you how flawed their logic is. The notion that a mod maker has the right to force his work off the Internet altogether is absurd and shows you how flawed their logic is.

We who love morrowind but don't have the time to set up enormous mod collections and bug test them ourselves are grateful for your hard work. Morrowind who we love but do not have the time to set up enormous mod bug collections and test them ourselves are grateful for your hard work. The people on www.elderscrolls.com won't be able to disgrace you on public forums because people in general don't agree with them. The people on www.elderscrolls.com will not be able to disgrace you on public forums because people in general do not agree with them. They weren't able to stop the still popular somethingawful morrowind merged mod megapack (which credited all the mod authors but explicitly stated that no mod would be removed on request) and they won't be able to stop you. They were not able to stop the still popular somethingawful MEGAPACK Morrowind mod merged (which credited the mod authors all but explicitly stated that no mod would be removed on request) and they will not be able to stop you. And the best part: You don't have to feel bad about it on any level because you are doing them a service by giving them more exposure and fame (remember the credits though ...) while at the same time improving the situation for us mainstream mod users! And the best part: You do not have to feel bad about it on any level because you are doing them a service by giving them more exposure and fame (remember the credits though ...) while at the same time improving the situation for us mod mainstream users!

Thanks again! Thanks again! Stand your ground! Stand your ground!"


This Dude is unbelievable! Modders don't owe users anything ... its the other way around.


If this Mod goes forward disregarding everything thats been said & the community tolerates it .... if it really has come to this point where there is 0 respect for modders & their work .... I'm frakken done with the Morrowind Community & will remove all My mods from the internet & I hope connary, Vality & everyone else who's mods were hyjacked in this "project" will do the same.


FRAKKING UNBELIVABLE!!!!!!!

If they don't like to have to read and understand what they're using, they make "consoles" these days. I must agree with the argument that if you can't be arsed to learn how to extract an archive (which takes something like 2 clicks anymore), you probably shouldn't be using it. They don't test your IQ for internet access, but some tests are slipped in by authors, this being one.
Plus, the same people who don't know how to install these mods will be the ones who come to the MGE thread telling us their GUI crashes. No, they don't have the game installed. Wait, MGE needs Morrowind?
Mod installation implements a variety of natural selection.



Indeed. A compilation without the option to skip certain parts is just asking to break at least some people's games. And an addon as technical and messy as ENB is certainly not for those who can't work with archives.




Among other things, version control, respect, access... There are reasons for each person, and often you just have to accept them without questioning. It is in the nature of artists and authors to be unpredicatable and illogical, and most everyone here is both an author and artist (I once heard a seminar on sequels and such, and the speaker mentioned that everybody is surprised if a molecular physicist jumps off a bridge, but nobody if a poet does the same ).



Now, an idea, is to write a simple program that will download and install mods based on the user's choice. Something of an automated downloader-installer, using existing links and mirrors. The user picks an option from each category (meaning they know what they're installing and have chosen it), and the system does the slow work for them. I can understand using that (like leaving FlashGet running overnight to download a huge mod) and using existing mirrors will solve a number of permissions problems. It also allows the author the same access they have to the mirror and forces users to know what they download. I think something of a mod HUD would be an excellent idea for people new to the game.



I must say, the author has shut it down, at least ATM. What one person says (especially not the one who's apologized) is like listening to only you in this thread. One view may be extreme, that doesn't mean they all are. Removing your content won't solve anything (especially not with how easy it is to access old, cached content, or find someone willing to send you a copy).
I'm pretty sure the community won't tolerate it. As a matter of fact, this is proof it is not tolerated.
Again, the view of one person or group does not imply or mean that there is no respect for modders or our work. This vocal minority is just that, a vocal minority. They do not accurately represent the views of all users. Given the tiny number of compilations ever attempted, obviously most people do respect the ToU in mods (save that one download site...). Allowing this vocal minority to affect what you do and how you share it, well, it's like opening a duty-free grocery shop for trolls. Backing out because people don't do as you ask goes beyond simply giving in or feeding the trolls. It will not, in any way, improve the situation.
To go a step further, it shows a lack of recognition and respect for all those modders and players who do follow the usage limits of a mod. If anything, a modder should be grateful to the people who appreciate his/her work, not punish the masses for the indiscretion of a few. Those few can be spoken to and their work dealt with as needed, but there's no reason to completely withdraw work that has, in 99% of cases, been treated with respect.

On a side note, why is everything in there doubled (same-ish sentence twice)?

Again from Kingpix forum:

Posted By btsraziel

Hmmm .... The type that you wrote in English is right there ... The type that you wrote in English is right there ...

Once you've made clear the creator of the mod specific (perhaps even with the link to their website if they have) is over there ... Once you've made clear the creator of the mod specific (perhaps even with the link to their website if they have) is over there ...

They put on their release without major mod terms and conditions, but as a work free digital download. They put on their release without major mod terms and conditions, but work as a free digital download.

In the case insist the removal must show a legal document (not a netiquette they made) that cite exactly the limitations of the license agreement. In the case insist the removal must show a legal document (not a netiquette they made) that cite exactly the limitations of the license agreement.

If they are not able to reproduce a document of this kind, you're not violating anything and have no right to pursue this (passatemi vulgarity) stronzata request ... If they are not able to reproduce a document of this kind, you're not violating anything and have no right to pursue this (passatemi vulgarity) stronzata request ... Then what does that "disfigures" next to the other mod ... Then what does that "disfigures" next to the other mod ... What are the best and all the other poor and unworthy? What are the best and all the other poor and unworthy? : asd:: asd:

Sure ... Sure ... beat the wall face sull'epico their megalomania is not a way to make friends with them ... beat the wall face sull'epico their megalomania is not a way to make friends with them ... but if this is not required / useful ... but if this is not required / useful ... beh ... beh ... we must take the card stamped with copyright: asd: we must take the card stamped with copyright:

Answered By Kingpix:

you are absolutely right, the point is this!
However regardless of what I and exclusively for italy I'm already working on the Revision 1.1! However regardless of what I and exclusively for italy I'm already working on the Revision 1.1!
And of course to resolve the crash that afflicts the package gameplay & atmosphere And of course to resolve the crash that afflicts the package gameplay & atmosphere Very Happy
So, stay tuned! So, stay tuned!



This Frakking guy is Unbelievable .........

Evidently if this is correct we will have tremendous problem here. In first term this shows one thing that is unstoppable, the growing lack of respect for others work. This is growing exponentially in our society an evidently in the modding community.
I will take care of this matter with interest. I will talk with the lawyer of my professional association about how it work this in the CEE. I can fight, I have done it before.

I'll send you Kingpix Name & address

While I agree what releasing a compilation right now to the general public is a bad idea(notice, nothing against personal use for him or his friends. Its his own problems. If people want it, why not let people have it?)there is something bugging me.
This is a pet peeve of mine of the TES sites. We have to many whiners now.
There is a difference between voicing your opinion, saying no etc etc, and being a big whining baby and threatening to leave or whatever. Seriously? How many people left "for good" only to come back and put there mods back up again. What good does that do? Not only that, but its by some random dude from the internet too!

Oh hey! They insulted me! Oh no, they used my mods without permission! Let me take my mods off and leave! That will teach em good. Yep, I will surely win this fight by doing that.

Seriously? Do you think they freakin care? They already have your mods, or if they insulted you they don't care about your mods in the first place. Taking them off and leaving does absolutely no good, and is just a childish immature way to take care of things.


Seriously now?
That wasn't even from the freakin mod author himself. Thats some random dude on the internet posting on the forums and your having a fit over it? You need to keep your pants on because what you are saying above does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at all. Do you think that dude cares if you take off all your stuff? Heck no. I don't see how this solves problems. This is like 2 year old logic. It doesn't even make sense.
I'm surprised you would get any sort of satisfaction taking such an action because we can't use any of the above authors mods because you got your feelings hurt from some random dude.

I'm sorry, but right now reading that quote, quotes like that is what makes me lose faith in the TES modding community. Actions like this would destroy the community. You would take away our very fuel that burns the fire. You think you would do the community a service? 0 respect for modders and there work? Heck, it seems like you don't even respect your own work. What, keeping it all to yourself is the way to use it? Yea, thats how you respect good work. :rolleyes:

Also, before having a fit, we don't even know what revision 1.1 is.

Taking care of the actual problem such as stopping the distribution is better than packing up and leaving.

Good luck. Since these are textures, gamesas doesn't own em, but you do right?

Seriously.





I guess common courtesy just doesn't exist anymore.

Edit -- Lettuceman: No, the childish thing is saying "they can't legally stop us" and moving forward against the content providers' (authors') wishes.

They are both childish.
Saying "No, I won't share anymore" is just as childish as "no, you can't stop me. I can do whatever"

And the thing is, there is no indication of "moving forward". Peachykeen said the download has been stopped.

EDIT On second thought ...this doesn't deserve a reply ... I'm just PO'ed

I think we should just leave it up the modders who are being affected by this to decide how they will act.
Connary, Darknut, Vality7, etc. can do/say whatever they want to protect their work if they want to.

Either support their choices if you agree, or be quiet if you don't. Implying that everyone is dumb doesn't do anything.

If someone stole my stuff I would get them back and do something about it. Not take my stuff away and leave. What you have to understand is the community isn't some evil organization out to get you. Its just a small group of people, heck it doesn't even include the author cause he didn't say it that just don't care. We love your stuff, and would hate to see it get ruined by some punk on the internet. Not putting out anymore because of someone else and not of your own will is what will kill this community if this starts constantly happening. I have nothing against you man, I just don't want to see so many rash decisions that do nothing but hurt us.......when Slof left I was like omg what, because I NEEDED her horses o.o. Eventually she re released her stuff. But my point is, we were sad when that happened, as it stopped us from using your great work cause of some random [censored] on the internet.

I'm just saying, your just taking it the wrong way imo because I don't see how it will help at all.


@Pluto, I didn't call anyone dumb.

Wow, this smells toxic.

You dont care about Darknut feelings? humm, you have shown the mature approach to us, lol.



Thanks Darknut. Give me all the relevant info and directions.

Funny.
Yea, because I totally don't like Darknut. I want Darknut to leave. My post is definitely full of hate :rolleyes:
First part wasn't directed strictly at Darknut. It was more generalized which is why I split up my post.

Do I feel bad about what happened to Darknut, you and Vality? Of course.

Do I think you guys leaving is a good thing? No.

I didn't mean to insult you Darknut, but to many people are leaving to rapidly for small things (imo) and taking the easy way out.

How many compliments have you received about your work compared to this one dude? I'm willing to bet more people appreciate your work and support you compared to those who don't? I don't know how this one person represents the community, but whatever.

Wow, this is getting a little out of control. All I have to say is that, at least in my opinion, the respect of many hopefully outweighs the the disrespect of one. Darknut, you do fantastic work, and I and countless others really appreciate it, and would be incredibly saddened if you were to leave because of one individual's actions or the opinions of their supporters. With every install I do, I layer in your armor and weapons, and am looking forward to the completion of your various works in progress (your "scum" is something I always use already). And frankly, don't even joke about Connary leaving, because while I would miss your contributions deeply, the thought of never seeing the fruits of his labour is almost enough to drive one into a depression.

Small thing!? ..... This ain't no small thing going on here it has major ramifications for the future of Morrowind modding ..its not "just" about Me, connary, Vality7 or the other modders who's stuff is being used in this mod without consent.

If this moves forward it sets a terrible Precedent.

I meant small thing as in its not widespread.
Look, I think you are over reacting. Huge ramifications for the future of MW modding? I don't believe one person and one compilation that no one has ever heard of until we saw some video would do that. Would having you all leave just hurt it even more?
What you need to do, is understand that the community here has your back, doesn't want you to leave, and wouldn't tolerate taking people's work without permission. I doubt the nexus, elricm, and PES would too and wouldn't allow it to be uploaded. Look what happened to Ultimate Textures 3.
So that takes out the major sites.
Have you asked the dude personally to take out your stuff?