Bethesda does not hold the only right. In fact, to a number of works, they hold no right.
I'm almost positive that in court, I would hold every right to my shaders. Not only can they be used with other games or programs, they were not made using any Bethesda tools. In fact, they've never touched or been loaded by a Bethesda product. MGE loads them, using Microsoft libraries, and MGE is licensed under the GNU GPL. The code to the shaders, then, is not licensed under Bethesda's EULA, nor does that license apply to it. Only my license and permissions do.
For ESPs, then the EULA applies. Unless you make it in MWEdit or Enchanted Editor, then things get sketchy and I don't know who gets what.
With textures and models, Bethesda again doesn't own the textures you make, unless they're based off Bethesda textures. Same with models. Not everything that comes out of Max is owned by Autodesk or Bethesda. The NifTools exporter is a third-party program and works with many non-Bethesda games, so they don't even own the NIF. Plus they don't own the NIF format, that's NetImmerse (who, by not patenting it, doesn't claim exclusive rights to it).

I think I'm right, but my mind is starting to feel fuzzy, so don't take it to court.




Now, on a side-note, would you allow your work to be included in an optional compilation?
Say, for example, a program was made allowing users to select a mod for each category (or none if they chose). It downloaded Better Bodies for you, then whichever head mod you picked (say, using radio buttons to select one from a list). Whichever texture replacer (because then, they would be downloading yours for it's qualities). Land masses. Etc.
A module compilation the would download and install what you wanted, but only what you asked for. How do you feel about that?

Going down the "legal this & not legal that" is a slippery slope & I think is beside the point. .....

This whole thing is about respect ...... & for the most part there has always been respect in the Morrowind modding scene (with a few exceptions)

Obviously you guys can choose to to go ahead & release this mod with mine & others content in it against our wishes & technically we can't do anything other than complain about it to every Morrowind forum on earth or quit modding all together.

I for one won't ever quit modding .... I might quit releasing them if it stops being fun ... but it will take more than this little drama to do it.


I know you guys prob put a ton of work in this .... but its "your" fault .... not mine that you choose to go the way you did.

Its always been the policy around here to ask modders "before" using their stuff .... especially in a compilation...... its the descent thing to do & lets be honest no one should of had to tell anybody that.

The justification that not everyone can install these mods is ridicules! How smart do you have to be to copy a file from one place to another ...geez

None of these mods in this in this comp are hard to install ... not one ... not even MGE ... if you bother to read the "Very" explicit instructions.

If My views on this situation means I'm arrogant so be it .... if that mean you won't use My mods .... so be it.

I was going to do exactly this... but you beat me to it! Well that's fine by me, awesome work I'm sure. It's an awesome idea because even having a ton of experience installing mods doesn't mean I wan't
to go through the whole mess of it, and it would be great for new people.

Though a list of options of what to install would be best. I was thinking along the lines of package that people might like to go along with OpenMw when it came out, so the option of installing MGE or not would be very helpful.

As for the whole permission thing: getting permission from all the authors would be ridiculous if not impossible. Taking out mods on request however is perfectly reasonable.

I was going to point this out too, it isn't hard at all to install mods, searching for them is a different subject, but that's why we have modlists like Mythic mods and Telpheros' list etc. So as I said, a list works, no problems. I have no problem with someone linking to my mod, distributing it is another.

EDIT: What you've done is similar to berry picking, say person A went out and picked a ton of berries, then put them in the fridge. The next day person B decided to take person A's berries and share them with everyone without permission. It's a similar situation, there is work involved, but none of it is worth real money, and someone else takes control of what you've done and you find yourself in a tricky situation, meaning I don't think person A would be very happy.

Anyways that's sort of how I feel about the whole thing, I picked these berries myself and I want control of where they go and what happens to them, meaning I don't want my stuff in any compilations.

Actually, it's more like they decided to clone your berries and share them with other people. You don't lose your berries in any way, and more people get delicious smoothies.

Where can I find a mod list of the mods used in this compiliation?

Here's a list of the mods in this first graphics pack, in italian.

Textures Delle Armi:
• Darknut's Weapons Retext Complete
Rimpiazza le Textures delle armi con altre in alta risoluzione, davvero ben fatte e fedeli alle Vanilla.
• Daedric Weapons Glow Effects
Aggiunge un effetto di ‘’Glow’’ del rosso contenuto nelle armi Daedriche, davvero spettacolare.

Textures Delle Armature:
• Darknut's Armors Retext
Ottimo replacer in alta risoluzione per le armature, anche queste fedelissime all’originale.

Textures Delle Architetture:
• Connary's Daedric Architeture
Rimpiazza le Textures dell’architettura Daedrica con altre in alta risoluzione.
• Connary's Daedric Sirines
Rimpiazza le Textures delle Shirines Daedriche.
• Connary's Dunmer Strongholds
Rimpiazza le Textures delle Strongholds dei Dunmer.
• Connary's Dwermer Architeture
Rimpiazza completamente le Textures dell’architettura Dwermer.
• Connary's Hlaau Architeture
Rimpiazza le Textures dell’architettura Hllalu, sono le pi? fedeli all’originale che ho incontrato.
• Connary's Imperial Dragon Statue
Rimpiazza la statua che rappresenta un drago nella citt? di Ebonearth.
• Connary's Imperial Forts
Rimpiazza i forti imperiali.
• Connary's Imperial Houses
Rimpiazza le Textures delle case imperiali.
• Connary's Morunhold Architeture
Rimpiazza le Textures di Morunhold, la capitale di Tribunal, rigorosamente in alta risoluzione.
• Connary’s Old Morunhold
Textures per la Old Morunhold, la ‘’citt? sotterranea’’.
• Connary's Redoran
Rimpiazza l’architettura Redoran.
• Connary's Redoran Crab
Rimpiazza l’enorme centro commerciale presente ad Ald’Ruhn, il Redoran Crab.
• Connary's Sewers
Rimpiazza le Textures delle fogne, ora molto pi? realistiche.
• Connary's Telvanni
Rimpiazza l’architettura Telvanni.
• Connary's Velothi
Rimpiazza l’architettura Velothi.

Textures Delle Creature:
• Darknut's Ash Vampires Retext
Rimpiazza le Textures degli Ash Vampires, donandogli un aspetto unico.
• Darknut's Bloodmoon Creatures Retext
Rimpiazza le Textures di tutte le creature presenti nell’espansione Bloodmoon.
• Darknut's Morrowind Creatures Retext
Questo invece rimpiazza quelle del gioco originale.
• Darknut's Tribunal Creatures Retext
E questo quelle di Tribunal.

Textures Delle Lands:
• Ayse, Lord Gabryael, Qarl, Raptre, & Zuldazug’s Visual Packs Complete
Ho selezionato personalmente alcune Textures da questo eccezionale pacco grafico.
• Connary's Bitter Coast
Eccezionale Retexturing della Bitter Coast.
• Connary's Caves
Validissimo replacer per le Textures nelle caverne.
• Connary's Grazelands
Replacer per la regione Grazelands.
• Connary's West Gash
Pacco per la regione West Gash.
• Connary's Lava Replacer
Buon replacer per la lava.
• Jarrod's Bloodmoon Textures Pack
Ottimo replacer per l’isola di Bloodmoon.
• grVulture’s Ultimate Textures Complete v3.7
Ho selezionato personalmente alcune Textures anche da questo replacer.
• Skydye & HeadlessWonder’s Vibrant Morrowind 3.0
E anche da questo.

Textures Della Miscellanea:
• tapani_doe’s Better Glow
Migliora il ‘’glowing’’ delle armi magiche, con uno meno plasticoso.
• King’s Better Menu
Versione modificata del menu iniziale di gioco, con la scritta Overhaul. (Grazie a Isca!)
• Alaisiagae Bloodmoon Pelts Replacer
Migliora l’aspetto delle pelli decorative presenti nelle capanne di Bloodmoon.
• Book Jackets – Bloodmoon, Morrowind & Tribunal
Ottimi replacer per le copertine di tutti i libri, altissima risoluzione.
• Connary's Crystals
RImpiazza le Textures dei cristalli, presenti nelle grotte.
• Connary's Dwermer Box and Dwermer Coins
Cambia le Textures delle monete e del cubo Dwermer.
• Connary's Elder Scrolls
Modifica le Textures delle ‘’Elder Scrolls’’ ovvero le pergamene magiche.
• Connary's Fine Vials
Modifica le Textures delle bevande.
• Connary's Guidemaps
Cambia le Textures delle guide, le pergamene con rappresentata una mappa di una praticolare locazione.
• Connary's Pottery
Rimpiazza le Textures degli attrezzi per creare pozioni.
• Connary's Riches Wood
Modifica le Textures del legno nelle case ricche.
• Connary's Small Chestes
Muta l’aspetto degli scrigni piccoli.
• Connary's Urns
Pack di Textures per le urne.
• Connary's Webs
Migliora l’aspetto delle ragnatele. (Si, lo so, sono un preciso.)
• Connary’s Beds
Textures per i letti.
• Connary’s Wood Furniture
Textures per le sedie, tavoli e la mobiglia di legno in generale.
• Westly’s Fit-Body BetterBodies Textures
Modifica le Textures di BetterBodies con alcune in pi? alta risoluzione.
• grVulture’s Real Stars
Ottimo replacer per le stelle.
• Painkiller_Rider & VagabondAngel’s Shiny Septims
Fantastico pacco per mutar’aspetto delle monete.
• Alaisiagae’s Soulgems and Ingredients Retexture
Validissimo replacer per gli ingredienti e per le gemme dell’anima.
• Bart Notelaers’s Unique Banners and Signs
Dona ad ogni taverna un cartello unico.
• Walther’s Blood Sprite
Ottimo replacer per il sangue.
• ElBundee’s Real Signpost
Textures alternative per i cartelli presenti nel gioco, nomi leggibili.
• Aisis’s Better Menu – Books
Migliora l’aspetto del menu dei libri.
• Alaisiagae’s Cart Cloth Texture Replacer
Rimpiazza la Texture del carretto che si trova a Tribunal.
• Linora’s Refined Banners
Rimpiazza le Textures dei cartelli dei negozi.
• Slartibartfast’s Morrowind, Bloodmoon & Tribunal Textures Fix
Elimina le fastidiose ‘’seghettature’’ che dividevano in modo innaturale le textures delle lands.
• Alaisiagae’s Prolypon Pillar Retextures
Migliora l’aspetto dei Prolypons presenti nelle Strongholds Dwermer.
• Alaisiagae’s Sail Cloth Textures
Rimpiazza le Textures delle vele.
• Pjstaab’s Snowflakes!
Fiocchi di neve in alta risoluzione.
• SWG’s Ivy Replacer
Rimpiazza l’edera presente nelle casette.
• Plangkye’s Telvanni Meshes
Corregge gli errori dei modelli Telvanni.
• LizTail’s Unique Shadows
Finalmente l’ombra delle razze ‘’bestiali’’ sar? corretta, aggiungendo una coda.
• Tealpanda’s Unique Jewlery And Accessories
Textures uniche per gioielli e accessori.
• Plangkye’s Green Marble Morunhold
Ho estrapolato alcune Textures da questo pacchetto per Morunhold.
• Vality’s Grass Beta
Aggiunge erba eccezionale a Morrowind.
• LizTail’s Grass Meshes
Migliora le Meshes dell’eccellente erba di Vality.
• Vality’s Trees – Bitter Coast, Ascadian Isles e Balmora Mod
Aggiunge moltissimi e bellissimi alberi in queste 3 locazioni del gioco.

Textures Dei Vestiti:
• Darknut’s Better Clothes
Textures in alta risoluzione per i vestiti.

Textures Dei Volti e Corpi:
• Solf's Better Beasts & Solf's Better Beasts Arm Fix
Migliora l’aspetto delle razze ‘’non umane’’.
• Psychodog Studios’s Better Bodies
Uno dei mod pi? famosi, migliora di moltissimo l’aspetto dei corpi ‘’umani’’.
• Morrowind NPC Makeover Team’s: THE Morrowind NPC Makeover
Colossale mod che rimpiazza tutti i volti e ne aggiunge un’infinit?. Ogni NPC avr? una faccia unica.

Tweaks e Correzioni:
• Hrnchamd & Psyringe’s Morrowind Code Patch
Assieme all’Unofficial Morrowind Patch e alla patch ufficiale corregge quasi tutti i bugs.
• Harlanrm’s MGE Better Water
Migliora l’aspetto dell’acqua riflettiva aggiunta dall’MGE.
• Unofficial Morrowind Patch Team’s UMP v1.6.4
Ultima relase della celeberrima Unofficial Patch per Morrowind, corregge moltissimi bugs.

Utilityes:
• Morrowind Graphic Extender
Tool eccezionale in grado di aggiungere un sacco di effetti al gioco. Dettagliata guida nel ReadMe.
• Ghostwheel’s TESTool
Ottimo Tool per fare il merge dei mods.
• Timeslip’s Morrowind EXE Optimizer
Ottimizza l’eseguibile del gioco riducendo i possibili crash del gioco.
• ENBseries
Eccellente programmino in grado di aggiungere effetti spettacolari al gioco.

Thanks Vality.
As you can see, the list was doing.
I added all the names of the mods and all the authors!
In a couple of days, the list would be included with the setup!
PS: The list is not completely finished

Best regards,
King_Pix

Edit: Descriptions on youtube removed.

You should also list what versions you intend to include. I'm only seeing three listed with version numbers.

Some of those mods haven't made it past beta versions, and really have no business going into a compilation.

Hi Darknut, the description contested of the video has been removed... you can check.

It seems me that up to this moment is respected the ideas of everybody. The respect first of all.

The discourse that you do on the rights is acceptable
and King pix it seems me that youhas given you a test.

To: Kingpix & company:

At this point ... I don't want you to use My stuff ... connary has posted that he doesn't want his stuff used & you stated in your own forum that Vality7 is not on board either.

Why don't you guys just release the installer by itself with a list of all the mods required & where to get them:

Benefits from this method:

1: Permission from modders is a non issue as your not actually redistributing anybodies stuff.
2: When various mods get updated to a new version it would be a non issue because, again your not actually redistributing anybodies stuff.
3: No one has to download an try to run a ridiculously big 1.5 gig .exe file ... that frankly severely limits who can use this compilation in its current form.

4: everybody wins ...

the internet is full of list of mods, anf this is not the intention.

the purpose of this package is to don't bother people with the installation of 100+ mods by downloading, copying and checking compatibilities for everyone of them. with a package like this you don't have to bother.

that's not true that every morrowind player likes to install mods. some of them just don't want to spend time by doing that, so they don't appreciate the awesome-looking morrowind that you have created in 7 years. I think that's not right... everyone should see what the community did and enjoy it...

People don't want to be bothered with Dl'ing & installation of mods?! ..... Geez ... Have we reached the Pinnacle of stupidity & laziness? ..... If this was the attitude from the start ..... all the 1000's of MW mods would have never been made ....... If this is truly where Morrowind modding is headed Maybe I am done.

you don't seem to understand... many mw fans like to mod their game installation, I like to do that, but there are also many gamers that are too lazy to do that. you know, not only the users of this forum play morrowind and many of them just dind't know the existence of mods.
so you think that if someone is to lazy to learn how to properly install mods they don't deserve to use them?

IMO people who want to use mods simply will have to invest a little time in learning how to install them. It's not rocket science. Plus, it helps if you ever want to mod other games as well. If someone is unwilling to spend more than 10 minutes on installing mods, well, then I think mods are simply not for him.

People who are lazy and want to use mods need to get less lazy so they can.

I also think that with a pack like this people have no idea what the hell they're adding to their game, having only a vague list with a 1 line description. This can cause problems with things like ENBSeries. There isn't a magic configuration of ENBSeries that is compatible with all systems, so people are going to have to tweak it most likely, which they probably can't. And perhaps they don't even want ENBSeries: It can take away quite a bit of FPS.

Erm... people will still need to download the equivalent of mods with your compilation and install 1000's+ of files.

If someone doesn't want to spend time downloading mods, why would they spend time downloading yours?

People are going to see YOUR choice of what the community has created due to what you've selected for the compilation. Many modders are not represented. If people really want to see what the community has done over the years, they're better off downloading for themselves and trying a greater variety of mods. With a tool like Bain (part of Wrye Mash v0.84), mod management and texture mixing is vastly simplified.

Yes

I can't believe, so you create mods just for the people that want to install them?
it's a small part of morrowind players, you know that? I had to explain to a huge number of people how install and use your mods just because they were to lazy to figure how to do that.

so I assume that you don't want your works to be know from a larger mass of people?

A little Morrowind notoriety is inevitable if you end up making a popular mods or 2 ..... I don't mod to try to be cyber-famous .... never did, never will.

I wasn't saying that, you're acting like you want to keep your mod secret, just for a little circle of people. if someone do huge mod like yours I'll assume that he will want to spread them around, not to become famous but to make people enjoy their games better

Everything these polemics have a surreal taste, and I believe that this way doesn't bring us from any part. Certain times it also needs to open the mind...

I don't want My mods kept secret & they're not ... they're all over the place DNGDR has been translated to 4 languages I think at this point. ( each one of those "ask" my permission 1st by the way )

I just don't want my stuff in this mod & neither does connary or vality7.

ok, I won't discuss your decision, I was just trying to understand your reasons, and you don't seem to have any logical one.

edit: you sure don't have to have any, the mod is yours and you decide what we can do with it, that for sure

No logical reasons? .... they have been stated over & over



I'm tired of this ....... Kingpix & company can either abide by Mine, connary & Vality7 wishes or not ..... if they choose to ignore us it will be a set a very said precedent indeed & will change Morrowind modding forever .... at least for me.

The numbers of mods produced til now, are so many that it would be impossible for the most of us, to know at least good part of them, test them for compatibility etc...
I know someone said the modlist could resolve the problem, but how many links have you clicked recently, just to realize that gave you a 404 error?

Have you checked recently the links to the download of The Underground?
I am talking about one of the greatest mod ever released, and this is what happened to the download links of the several sites that hosted it

http://beta.thelys.org/THE_UNDERGROUND.zip

http://telesphoros.tesmods.net/THE_UNDERGROUND.zip

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Listmod.asp

http://www.ufrealms.net/downloads2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1499

You may find here the original page where these links come from

http://qarl.rpgmods2.com/download.html



I think that people say no, because they scare that after all their efforts, they'll be only a name in the credits, at the bottom of the readme, and that only the name of who compiled the new work will be recalled. Am I right?
I am also like this, but then I think that if someone has considered my work worth enough to be included into another work, is someone else will enjoy playing what I have done, this will be a proper reward.

If my name a day will be forgotten, and Google will not return any result anymore by typing "Arcimaestro Antares", at least I'd like my works survived to me and people continue to enjoy them. After all, this is the reason I have made them.

So people, reuse them, reupload them and, above all, enjoy them