implying morrowind wasnt buggy. (or any game ever) and out of all the "console ports" ive played this year skyrim feels so in the least. you can argue the menus svck ass but every TES games menus svck ass. saying skyrim only beats out morrowind based on combat is like saying skyrim beats out the sims on combat. this game, and all rpgs, are based around killin [censored] and getting loot.

ugh its pointless arguing with people on the internet isnt it?

Skyrim is better, but Morrowind is close~

And if people like you would stop throwing the term dumbeddow, you'd realize what a dated game morrowind is.

Lolwut? "Any game ever." I'd say 90% of all the games I have installed on my PC right now were never as buggy as Skyrim is. And no, RPGs are not strictly about "killing stuff." That's CoD you're thinking of, for christ sake...

I didn't see "dumbed down" anywhere in the post you quoted, did you? But thanks for saying it so that I didn't have to. Skyrim is pretty much just, "herp derp, equip two axes, alternate pressing right and left trigger."

And then if you put two seconds of thought into building a character, which Bethesda obviously didn't expect, you get this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSw36zv7YI

Yeah, [censored] is dumb.

You were implying it.

lol at the poll. Most of those who have voted for Skyrim are stupid kids who didnt played Morrowind.

No competition whatsoever, Morrowind still is the best TES RPG hands down.

No..some of us have been playing since Arena but because we are not rabid Morrowind "ITS TEH BEST RPG GAME EVA" types :facepalm:

Morrowind has the best story and the most prevalent lore. It is DESTROYED by the other 2 games in other areas obviously.

And if this isn't enough to convince some people, for your vampirism lovers, Morrowind's vampirism is 100% what you're looking for.

This is coming from a guy who has never played MW's Main quest in full. But I've did enough reading to come to this conclusion.

That being said, I can't vote, because neither game is better than each other as a whole.

Dragon quest VII will always be the best RPG.

Out of this series though, I'd say that Skyrim is more of a role playing game, given that it's much easier to do whatever you want to do than it was in Morrowind.

For clarification, could you elaborate what you feel Skyrim does better as a RPG?
I'm not far enough into Skyrim to tell which game is better yet, though so far I feel as a RPG Morrowind outclasses Skyrim.

As an RPG Morrowind is better. More based on the characters skill rather than the players, more skills to choose from, better feeling of progression (thanks to the lack of level scaling), more spells, more items, much more information presented to the player (even if it's in a wikipedia layout). Although as a game you could argue that Skyrim is better since it has more engaging and refined action oriented gameplay, has better graphics, an 'alive' world (Morrowind was pretty static), full voice acting and more convenient journal and fast travel systems. An an RPG I would choose Morrowind, as a game overall I would like to play Skyrim at the moment, if that makes any sense.

too early to tell. i'm a shameless morrowind really devoted fan, but if there's any game that could potentially steal the crown from morrowind it's skyrim.

Well, let's see, here are some of the the critical problems in Morrrowind:

• 1. I couldn't talk my way out of any situation.
  
  
• 2. The combat was fundamentally flawed as a result tactics were rendered useless in combat situations.
  
  
• 3. Most of the side-quests were uninspired. Although, I still find Morrowind's main quest to be, in general, more interesting than Skyrim's.
  
  
• 4. Most of the political affiliations (the Houses and the vampire clans) were superficial and had no impact on character conversations and game progression.
  
  
• 5. The dialog system made me cringe every time I initiated a conversation with an NPC.
  
  
• 6. Certain skills lacked any depth. They were simply present to embellish the statistics screen. For instance, mercantile, block and athletics were virtually useless in all my playthroughs.
  
  
• 7. Certain skills, like speechcraft, were utterly useless. Fallout 2, or more recently Fallout: NV handled speech related skills really well.
  
  
• 8. Lack of non-combat tasks, like smithing, mining, etc.

To me, some of the above hinder a good RPG experience, while others limit role-playing. Skyrim more-or-less addresses points: 3, 5, 6 and 8. Also, combat in Skyrim, while not amazing, is far better than Morrowind's click-fest. Unfortunately, Skyrim still lacks non-linearity in conversations and unlike in Morrowind, there is only a remote sense of conflicting ideologies among the races and the guilds/clans. Also, the lack of attributes is, to an extent, detrimental to the role-playing experience. However, I feel that Skyrim irons out many flaws in Morrowind's RPG mechanics, and thus offers more variety in terms of role-playing.

Edit: Disliked the great "Wall-O-Text" look.

Correct. The problem is that a lot gamers don't know what "role playing game" really means.

I was never able to get into Morrowind.

And unfortunatly most of them are on these forums and are the target audience of Bethesda.

Skyrim is a much better game. People seem to gloss over Morrowind's glaring flaws and think it's perfect. Diceroll combat, anyone?

BUT the question was is Morrowind a better RPG? Even with the flaws of Morrowind, Skyrim can't comse close to competing as an RPG.

To be fair the thread is asking which one is a better RPG, and the dice roll combat is one reason why Morrowind is a better RPG than Skyrim regardless if people liked it or not. Though Skyrim overall being a better game is perfectly understandable.

It's obvious that you simply are not getting the idea. It's not dice rolling because it's easier on the PC, or console or whatever, it's dice rolling because that's exactly, precisely, what RPG IS. If you take out the dice-rolling element, then it's simply not an RPG, it becomes dependent on how well you as a player can control the action, and from there it's an action/adventure/whatever game.

And there's nothing wrong with that, I mean I'll happily play such a game. I'm just trying to get across what an RPG game means. Outcomes are dependent on your character not your actions as a player. You decide what he does, but the game decides if he succeeds. You don't have to like that idea, I'm just explaining what it means.

I voted Morrowind, i voted Morrowind because it was the first RPG i had played and of course it was my introduction into what is now my favourite game series... The Elder Scrolls.

I first got Morrowind in early 2003 for PC... i played the game for no more than 20-30 minutes before uninstalling. I had always been an RTS person and only bought Morrowind because a friend of mine was crazy about it always telling me of his epic encounters etc etc...

But, i could not get into the game at all until one week later when i decided to give it another shot.. from that moment on i fell in love with it and played Morrowind right up untll and after Oblivion. Skyrim from what i have seen so far(36 hours played) is amazing. I am enjoying it very much and absolutely love what i have seen so far. BUT that said, I don't think anything will ever give me the same feeling i first got when i first got into Morrowind.

Since Morrowind a lot of things have been removed that i liked, i used to always use spears and crossbows and liked how i could level up my axes,blunt,short and long swords etc... i feel while the latest addition has added plenty of great features it is also starting to streamline in order to appeal for the masses. DO NOT GET ME WRONG, i have no problem with this, the more successful the game is the more chance of the series continuing on and on which is what i want.
I just hope they don't forget their roots and turn a fantastic RPG into an action adventure game as things become slightly more simpler.

Just my opinion, i still think Skyrim is amazing so far.

durr, don't you know, RPG means it must have millions of stats :bonk:

The number of stats has nothing to do with the quality of an RPG, if that would be the case Ultima would be one of the worst RPGs out there.

But really what is there in Morrowind that is so drastically different, that it would make Skyrim "lesser"?
Oh sure, there were crossbows, spears and whatnot, but did it add more functionality to combat? Not really, only difference between bows and crossbows were that you don't hold down the button. Would I be glad if they would include it? Of course. Does it make the game less because it doesn't have it? No, it makes up in other parts.
Why is spellmaking instantly better? Heck, why does smithing makes the game "dumb" now, but Morrowind's alchemy bug and spellmaking was "deep"?


Overall, there's no such thing as a "better" RPG, Morrowind was not anything deep in term of character development, and Oblivion had the exact same system so it is even more confusing when that is called "not a real RPG".
If the "lack of choices" annoy you, then you haven't seen 90% of the RPGs out there.

Oh you.