Hi!

I want to know how the mortal people at the Shivering Isles actually came there? Was there another gate back in the past? If not, how could they have passed the Gatekeeper and how can it be that in such a short period of time, they all got houses and jobs and villages and so on?

May be a silly question. But I want to roleplay a character that lives on the Shivering Isles so its important.

Thanks in Advance.

Sel

Like the realm of Oblivion, the Shivering Isles are just another Daedric realm. Unlike the realm of Oblivion, the ruler of the Shivering Isles, Sheogorath, is actually (usually) a pretty nice guy, and not into wanton murder and destruction most of the time, and thus allowed people to live in his realm long ago. From there, it's pretty much like people living anywhere else, but with more insanity. I believe it's also mentioned somewhere in the game that (Spoilered just in case)

Alternatively, Sheogorath creates everyone in the Isles

It makes you wonder about the people in other prince's realms. For Nocturnal being the daedra of night and darkness, do all her pale people look around for matches, or just adjust to the darkness? So people don't have standards of style and clothing, and the things they build are barely functional. Namira being the daedra of ancient darkness, it's a bunch of depressed people with fully dilated eyes. Or Clavicus Vile, where people ask him for stuff and he gives it to them.

I would prefer to think that the citizens of the Shivering Isles get personal invitations for their acts of craziness from Sheogorath to perhaps save them from mortal punishment or judgement. Something of a haven for crazies. It didn't make sense to me to have the prince of madness to have a gatekeeper preventing people from entering, you'd figure he'd have a crazier solution. Or at least an interesting one.

-By the end of SI, Sheogorath is gone, and his realm is still active. Therefore it cannot be a Daedric realm, given that Princes and their realms are each other.
-How can you say that Sheogorath is nice? His goal in existence is to upset balance, and like most other Princes, he gets murderous when his power is called into question. Just look at how he tried to destroy Vvardenfell when the Dunmer cast him down.
-And finally, Mundus is not a Daedric realm. Lorkhan was/is not Daedric. His place is being filled by an ad hoc Divine.

Perhaps the Princes aren't their realms.

Not to nitpick but you really ought to be aware of something here:

Technically, every realm of every Prince is Oblivion, or at least a part of it. A realm within Oblivion.

The scary, hellish parts from vanilla OB are called the Deadlands, and are pocket realms of the Principality of Mehrunes Dagon. (For some reason the devs got super lazy and represented Boethia and Peryite's realms using the same sorts of landscapes but that's not lore accurate.)

Some of the various planes of Oblivion are described in detail in the book http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Doors_of_Oblivion.

Some are directly visited in the novel Infernal City, as well.

There's also the Imperial Census of Daedra Lords, which used to be hosted at the Imperial Library but I'm not sure if it's back up yet.

Except he isn't gone. The goateed fellow with the staff is, but the player took up the 'mantle' and became Sheogorath.

So as Sheogorath, Oblivion's finish and such prevent the pc from entering Tamriel.

game mechanics. It wouldn't be cool to suddenly be locked out of the larger, more in depth game-world because you finished the DLC.

First of all, at the end of SI, the player becomes Sheogorath. That was his entire plan to stop the Greymarch, remember? Second of all, I said usually nice. And let's take a look at some of the other Princes. Mehrunes Dagon, who is THE main enemy of Oblivion. Boethiah, who represents deceit, assassinations, and other similar things. Morag Bal, who is apparently known as the King of [censored]. But throughout the various lore, what have we seen Sheogorath do? Pretty much play pranks on people, "teach" them about the importance of things like art or thinking differently, or a combination of the two, plus that moon thing. Which, going by what you say, is pretty close to what the other Princes would do. It's more of a "nice compared to most of the other Princes" thing, but he's probably also not as mean, at least to the player, as a lot of the NPCs. Third of all, ok, I just got confused and got terminology and stuff mixed up there.

You can tell they put a lot of effort into that one. :twirl: Why work when you can booze?

How would the portal close without the new Sheogorath willing it though?

Question: How can a daedric prince easily enter mundus when the barrier is in place?

Answer: The CoC isn't a daedric prince

If I remember correctly, Sotha Sil was the one who got that compact, the one Haskill refers to when talking to him on your first visit to the Shivering Isles, preventing Daedric Princes from entering Mundus put in place (this was in response to witches summoning some of them which caused a bunch of bad things to happen). And he's been dead for 4ish years. The exact details of the compact were never revealed, but with Sotha's death, it could be up in the air. There's those Dragonfires now with Oblivion, but those never made a whole lot of sense to me, given its contradictions with pre-established lore, the aforementioned compact in particular, and I don't know of any attempts at retconning it. The Dragonfires went out, anyway, but if you completed the Oblivion main quest, then it's implied that the statue of Akatosh is, in one way or another, performing the role they used to... it all looks pretty fuzzy. This subject really needs some clarification, I think.

What makes you certain that Seht is dead?

The fact that you saw his mutilated corpse at the end of the Tribunal main quest?

SI was sloppily added, not woven into whatever narrative existed in Oblivion. Kinda like how Tribunal was added to Morrowind without much care (and how little in Tribunal had anything to do with the Tribunal). They don't do expansions very well, but I suppose that has something to do with the game being an open world.

Given how long he'd been there and how extensively he researched technology, it sure looked a lot like he uploaded himself into the city. If you look at him, you'll notice his fingernails had grown quite long before he died, and there are wires and multiple other mechanical instruments attached to him. He actually looks more like he "died" long before Ayem even got there.(Body looks atrophied)

Maybe because he was a god and immortal he could "upload" himself to his city, but when he became mortal...
Like being immortal and getting shot in the face, then the next second not being so immortal and still having been shoot in the face...

I agree. Major fan of the "Haskill is Sheogorath" theory, myself.

The way I see it, "Sheogorath" doesn't necessarily have to be a daedric prince. The only reason the previous one was is because he was in fact the daedric prince Jyggalag.

Almalexia and Vivec can confirm he's dead.


The mantle of "Sheogorath" would fall under the category of "Daedric Prince", I'd think. Or would you also try to argue that Talos isn't an Aedra? Or that the Selectives that "assumed" the roles of the Divines aren't Aedra?

The way I see it, Sheogorath is but a voice for the Tree of Madness, literally the real power behind the throne.

Lets see here. A power crazy madwoman and a warrior poet who likes to speak in half truths and riddles. Don't see anything wrong there. If the Dwemer can become the skin of the Numidium, why's it so hard to believe that Seht can become the Clockwork City. I do think the severance from the heart probably affected him some way though. I doubt he can function the same way he dead beforehand.

I'd hate for one to be wrong on the internet; the selective purged the Aedra out of the Divines, they didn't become them.



Wow, Jyggalag not certain? Kinda crazy. I'm not arguing any point of view regarding SI, only pointing out that certitude himself isn't certain. And that isn't from interpreting his words through a dozen sieves, just taking what his exposition dialogue says at its face value. Conspiracies not included.