As far as Oblivion goes, the King of Worms was a huge let-down, but I maintain that http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll182/Guiguizmo91/TheRealMannimarco.jpg is the truth of it

Most of the realms were supposed to be in the Deadlands, Mehrunes Dagon's realm. Given he's an unsubtle destroyer with a penchant for natural disasters, I thought that the "traditional" hell look fitted him pretty well.

As for the realms of Peryite and Boethiah, I think Bethesda didn't want to create a bunch of new textures, weathers, skies, etc for two sidequests. Even the realm in A Brush with Death was pretty simple. I'm not saying it was the best choice or the worst, I'm just trying to come up with why it's the way it is.

I think the problem is that while YEA they are in the same realm they still looked too similar, plus they had dozens of Oblivion gates but only 5 or so different Oblivion worlds so you quickly ran into duplicates. In the end it just looked kinda lazy, plus they could have really done more than fire and lava.

E.G. 3 years later they release Fallout 3, and it runs on the exact same engine. Not only does it have the exact same problems Oblivion has, its got even more.

E.G. 3 years later they release Fallout 3, and it runs on the exact same engine. Not only does it have the exact same problems Oblivion has, its got even more.

Oblivion gates where extremely lame...Allies for Bruma quest was stupid...every single count of every single city whats you to do the exact same thing...

-the realm of oblivion was extremely dull and boring to be in...andt he whole time I found myself just trying to get to the stone as quick as possible.

I'm not angry, man. I'm just trying to make sense of it.
Is it TES bashing, or what. The OP had a couple statements at the beginning that didn't make much sense.



So I'm trying to narrow it down to what he's trying to say. I'm seeing just a tad bit of confusion here.

after the 6th oblivion gate i just tcl'd and fly up to the top of the tower. much faster and less annoying.

I actually dont like the engine bethesda use. people and the nature just look cartoonish.

I'm on the x360 so can't do that.

I use 100% charmeleon though.

If your trying to hide and one enemy notices you, all enemys can see you.

1. Leaves on trees and bushes were 2D. 2D I tell ya!

...3. No capes!...

Why would you want capes? Capes would look ridiculous!

WTF you talkin about? This certainly doesent look ridiculous;! http://www.btinternet.com/~axiomarchives/thief2dromed/1Thief2cover2.jpg

The permanent water breating could have easily been done in Morrowind as well but was simply left out because one quest included drowing yourself (though they could have done water breathing toggleable or put in a script that deactivates permanent water breathing for that mission) and, honestly, the "they can wear boots" thing is the lowest argument (nothing aimed against you, it just always annoyed me) since MODDERS made leggings for the beast races in Morrowind. Beth could have easily made something like that too.

They didn't "fix" anything about them they just patched over it. Good example are the helmets, a common complaint was that beast races coudln't wear full helmets but, oh so great, they could in Oblivion. But this wasn't fixed as all full helmets did was still replace the characters head and replace it with the helmet mesh, this became very obvious when you had an argonian char with a longer snout as it was uddenly cut away by the helmet.
And that's another annoyance about the new design, the faces are so FLAT. I actually looked at the base mesh they used and it looks HORRIBLE, sometihng like Tim Burton would think off maybe...
Also in FaceGen you couldn't really give them good faces, they all just looked deformed and you couldn't really change the eyes.

All together they could and SHOULD have done a lot better... clearly my most dissapointing discovery...


EDIT:
Plus what ThatOneGuy said about "holding back" their design till the very last minute, doubt it was for the "big surprise" effect but rather to hold back the rage of fans for as long as possible, or so ideas for improvements could be smacked back with "it's to late now to do big changes.

Oh yea and Male and Female argonians in Morrowind DID have different colors as well, not as much different as in Oblivion though. But again that was nothing that couldn't have been done easily by just chaning the coloration or saturation in a graphic program, i could do that in 5 minutes in photoshop.

You do know that not everyone was a fan of the old beastmen models. I for one like the oblivion models. I do however hate the limits on khajit customization since i was never able to make my panther warrior.

1. God of Worms dying after a short fist fight.
2. Balmora being just a stonethrow away. Seeing the trend continue since then.
3. Missing Medical, Critical Strike, Swimming, Climbing and later Spear, Dodge, Blunt and Short Blade
4. Birthsigns
5. GPS, POIs, HH (hand holding)
6. My first dungeon in Vardenfell, the one with puzzle box, being nothing more than a couple of rooms and a corridor. AND the trend continues.
7. Lack of any randomized quests/events makes only the first play-through interesting.
8. I couldn't refuse the lich who was asking for his missing hand. Had to play along with his 'cunning' plan.
9. I pulled out the Mother's Head and his crazy son didn't react. I even played some ball with it.
10. I couldn't talk to the vampiric count about his treacherous lackey. Had to walk into an obvious ambush. And later hearing the count calling me an idiot for that.