I voted Oblivion, because if you take into consideration that (s)he becomes a Daedric Prince, that's by far the most impressive feat.

Hi.

My terrible replies when expressing an argument have been criticised in another thread.

I'd like to apologise for the way I did it in this thread as well.

Nerevarine killed two gods and a Daedric Prince's avatar, in my eyes that puts him on top.

Even if he was actually Nervar reborn, Nerevar was just a mortal. That was besides the point, the point that was being made is that the CoC had a rougher time of things from a lore perspective.

No one had a "rougher time" lore-wise.

I mean, in Arena, we travelled the WHOLE of Tamriel on an epic quest to save the emporer. No one even knows there is anything wrong.

In Morrowind, the Nerevarine had to endure CORPRUS. Had to battle through the hell infested volcanic Red Mountain region. Had to battle through hordes of deranged monsters and cultists, etc.

I wouldn't say that anyone had it rougher. If anything, perhaps CoC. I mean, where was Dagon when his realm was being weakened by a mortal?

Two Gods?

Hardly. Even at full power Dagoth Ur, Almalexia, and Vivec were Demigods.

Cut off from their main source of power. They were little more than Sorcerers.

At full power, they were fully fledged gods. If they wanted to, they could have destroyed the Empire, or rose minions of thier own Daedra, but they chose the "good" route.

When the player killed them, they were demi-gods, imo. The power didn't suddenly cease, it drained slowly, I believe, hence why they went back every hundred years or so, and why Dagoth Ur could kick thier asses, as he was fully powered all the time from his connection to the heart (though anything done after the main quest is debatable).

Not only could they have done things like that, but Vivec changed time and changed reality so that they, the Tribunal as gods, had always existed. If that's not an open display of just how omnipotent they were, I don't know what is.

At full power, the Tribunal were every bit as much of a god as any other encountered in the Elder Scrolls series. At the events of Morrowind, their powers had certainly waned, but they were still gods. People don't give them enough credit. Their godhood was the power of Lorkhan. Who would have more power in Mundus than Lorkhan? Would you say the same about Talos?

How powerful they were or not is debatable. For instance Cyrus was able to scare Vivec into retreating when he was at full god mode. Also Vivec could only stop the Baar Dau from descending, and not eliminate it completely. So their godhood had obvious limits, suggesting that they were more like Dr. Strange than Ra.

Mortals like the Selective changed time too, manipulating time doesn't mean as much in ES as it would in many other universes.

The main thing is that unlike Talos or even the CoC they never mantled the concept to become the concept, they still retained physical limitations of their original forms, but possessed godly power. So that when their link to the heart was interrupted they lost all that divine power, again like Dr. Strange gaining power from the Vishanti.

Corpus is a disease, other protagonists are also susceptible to a number of diseases. Volcanic red mountain had adversaries, just like every other protagonist has faced. That was no more or less difficult than what the other heroes have had to go through. The point being made was that from a starting point, the CoC has a much tougher road, being thrust right in the middle of a plot to destroy the mortal world and given very little guidance - find Jauffrey in Weynon Priory and deliver the amulet of kings. Save the heir and go into the Deadlands to close an oblivion gate, it's just a very steep learning/adaptation curve he's got.
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Basically, it's a very traumatic start to his adventures, the other protagonists were more gradually introduced to life as a hero. As far Mehrunes not interfering with you in the Deadlands, could be because the physical part of the realm is merely a construct? The actual Mehrunes Dagon is a personification of a concept, not a physical world.

I always figured it was blackmail for power. More faith in Vivec = More power. More power = Moon doesn't crash.


"Disease" is an understatement. It was the most horrific destruction of the body ever created.



I'd put that down to bad plot design.

After reading through all the arguments for each hero in this thread, I'm not quite sure who is the most impressive. For me, they seem equal.

I think that the champion of Cyrodiil acomplished the most, followed closely by the Nerevarine. Though I think the Nerevarine did more harm than good really...