For those who don't know I'll recap:



Arena
1. Collected the 8 pieces of the 'Staff of Chaos'

2. Defeated Jagar Tharn

3.


Daggerfall
1. Exorcised the ghost of King Lythandus

2. Was Slain by Numidium

3. Laid to rest the Underking

4. Helped the Orcs create Orsinium

5. Reunited the Empire

6. Turned Mannimarco into a God.




Morrowind
1. Earned the title of "Nerevarine"

2. Single-Handedly defeated Dagoth Ur, a divine.

3. Defeated Almalexia AND Her elite guards. At the same time.

4. Defeated Daedric Prince of the hunt Hircine. Or atleast, one of his counterparts?

5. Became the highest-ranking blade in Vvardenfell

6. Met the last surviving Dwarf. And gained his sacred tools. And destroy the heart of Lorkhan.

Oblivion

1. Earned the title of "Champion of Cyrodiil." (1 of 4)

2. Became a Daedric Prince of Madness

3. Single-Handedly defeated Jygallag, a Daedric Prince

4. Defeated the Immortal Ayleid Sorcerer known as Umaril

5. Stole an Elder Scroll

6. Gained the favor of all Daedric Princes

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If I missed anything worth noting. Please comment.

Eh, a lot of debate could be held on whether or not the things you listed actually apply. There's nothing that says the person who became Champion of Cyrodiil after the Oblivion Crisis also went into the Shivering Isles, nor is there anything that says the Nerevarine defeated the aspect of Hircine, etc. etc.

But if we're putting all of that aside and considering if one hero did everything possible in each game, then the Oblivion hero would by far be the most impressive. Stopping the Oblivion Crisis beats all the preceding accomplishments, but then add in becoming a Daedric Prince and it's a no-contest. I dare say anyone who votes otherwise is kidding themselves.

I understand that it doesn't ALL have to happen.


I mean, really NOTHING has to happen. In oblivion you could just be some jack*** who got the amulet of kings. Then forgot about it and went on to become an assassin/thief.

But really, I am implying that the user did all available quests.



PS: Morrowind and Oblivion are much more informative because I've actually beaten them fully XD

None of them were the most impressive, they were far different.

The Hero of Daggerfall united the Empire which is the only reason we stood any chance in the Oblivion Crisis.

The Nerevarine killed gods. That alone is extremely worthy and he defeated Hircine in his hunt.

The Champion of Cyrodiil stopped the Oblivion Crisis which is extremely impressive. However, he was a Daedric Prince in name only.

Personally, I think it's a tie.

Honestly, I don't consider Vivec, Dagoth Ur, or Almalexia 'Gods'

I mean, if they can die, they aren't Godly. They are divine, I have no doubt. But that is all they are.

Hircine only fought with one of his aspects. Should he have given his full wrath it is uncertain if the Nerevarine could have overcome him.

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The Champion of Cyrodiil utterly defeated Jygallag. Sending him to another realm. And BECAME Sheogorath. In power and everything.

Sheogorath, as it stands. Is the CoC. Just as Tiber Septim is now Talos.

They had as much power as the Nine. And if he became Sheogorath, he would've had MASSIVE boosts to every stat and skill in the game. Also, we don't know what happened after Shivering Isles... Anything is possible. Would a god willingly give up his power to some mortal?

Also, if the Hero of Daggerfall wanted, he could've made himself a god or hell, destroyed all the gods...

They had as much power as the nine? Then what would be the need to fight or have guards? (Almalexia)

And why do stat increases prove power? You have the staff, and I don't see that there was much more to Sheogorath than his curse and his staff. Other than that he was known as a god. You sound like a heretic, if we aren't a Daedric Prince, neither was Sheogorath.

You're not giving the story of the Shivering Isles enough credit. It's not actively displayed by the gameplay, nor is it an immediate transition, but, in time, the player will become Sheogorath full-time, indistinguishable from the Sheogorath we saw sitting on his throne when we walked in. We know this because that Sheogorath was once mortal like the player. Arden Sul is a prime example of a mortal who became Sheogorath in a similar fashion.




The Nine Divines can die, such is their position in the Mundus. The Tribunal had as much power as any other gods. Vivec changed the timeline of the universe to include himself and the others as having always been. The problem was that they had been cut off from their source of power which they were leeching off of Lorkhan and had not been able to renew it in over 400 years.

Arena:

3. Made other Elder Scrolls storylines possible)

Using that logic, Oblivion is making all storylines after this possible. By stopping a Daedric Prince from taking over Mundus.


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Impressive, and yet they each left the world no better off - and perhaps worse - than the way they found it, didn't they?

The staff wasn't that great...use it in Tamriel...

Is it also worth noting that you are basically invincible in Sheogorath's realm? (Protection)

Having never played Daggerfall and only barely scraping through the first dungeon of Arena, before realising it was a dogsh\t sandwich and not worth my time; I can only comment on the Hero's of Morrowind and Oblivion. The Morrowind character, if recall correctly, had several people helping him along the way (I am using "him" because it is easier) and making him great. That said, he did kill two demi-god persona's as well as a demonic persona - albeit their power was little watered down, due to not renewing it. Aside from becoming leader of all the guilds and factions, which was quite a simple task for someone who is set for greatness; he did nothing else truly noteworthy.

The oblivion character was given a few quick instructions from the start, and was then kicked out into the world, where he did things his way without others molly coddling him. He seemed a lot more competent. Without being asked, he goes onto close oblivion forever. He potentially steals one of the most powerful documents in the world, kills an Ayleid sorcerer thing and then becomes a daedra himself. I personally think this dude wins for being the guy who does all the work, but barely gets credit for it.

No votes for Daggerfall?
It was a toss-up for me between Daggerfall and Morrowind.

I mean, activating Numidium is a pretty big freaking deal. Look at the consequences of that action. It was a massive, literally world-shattering event.

But I voted for Nerevarine, maybe just because of sentimentality, or maybe for being a god-killing ultimate badass.

Oblivion's protagonist was little more than a pawn who would get items for Martin. Honestly, I think it's a tie... I'm done arguing my opinion.

so much hate for the ob protagonist...poor guy. Fights hordes of deadra, works as teh emperor's right hand, saves every city in the kingdom..except kavatch and still no respect. In the knights he fells an alyied sorcerer king thing and restored an order of holy knights. And even more impressive is going to the ilses and mantles a friggin god...i mean how do you beat that? kill some elvish god kings? destroy a heart of a dead god...and cause the oblivion crisis to become possible? It just doesn't compare.

Also i haven't played daggerfall, but isnt the cannon ending for the hero getting squished because he activated teh big stumpy robot?

i really do like morrowind...ob's main quest is just much more epic

Morrowind is winning? :unsure2:

I'm curious how people are voting then. I guess if we don't take what the OP says into consideration and instead just take it from the standpoint that the protagonist does the main quest of the game and nothing more, then yeah, Oblivion's protagonist probably wouldn't be the most impressive to me. It would be Daggerfall's. Activating the Numidium beats disenchanting the Heart of Lorkhan, but I can see people voting for Morrowind if they aren't familiar with the story of Daggerfall, or just plain viewing the end of the Blight and Dagoth Ur's defeat as more impressive. Both are totally understandable.

However, taking it from the perspective of "the protagonist does everything possible in the game" as the OP suggests, I really don't see how anyone compares to Oblivion's protagonist. He/she became a Daedric Prince. What could possibly be more impressive than that? I don't see any other protagonists literally becoming gods.

Because Morrowind is their favourite game.

Lol when does Morrowind ever not win?

My vote goes to either Oblivion's protagonist or Daggerfalls. I havent actually played Daggerfall though but I have read impressive things.

Oblivion's was the most impressive to me. In Morrowind it seemed like my actions were on a smaller scale than that of Oblivion.

(Tie breaker!) I voted Oblivion. Only for the sake of SI giving you god status (wether it is temporary or not, that is bad ass). Without that expansion though, I would have went for Morrowind. Being a slayer of gods (demi-god, mortal god, whatever you want to call them) is pretty darn awesome, along with destroying the heart of a full fledged god.

"gaining favour of all daedric princes" is not exclusiely an oblivion thing. and in morrowind you get to meet Azura, in the "flesh", twice.

Actually, the argument is more;

Would the CoC really be able to defeat a Daedric Prince, and break the curse of 15 other Princes forever?

Would the other 15 Princes not merely re-curse Jyggalag? They've done it before, they can do it again. All Daedric Princes have, I believe, the same basic power. There's no way one could resist the full on might of 15. (Jyggalag was only a threat because of his armies and orderly mindset)

• All 15 of these Princes could also easily flick you out of existence.

The realm IS Jyggalag. They are the same thing. To make things easier, think of Jyggalag as more of a "force". This force has it's own reality that it can with what it sees fit. What you fight is merely an avatar for the god to interact with you. You cannot banish him from the realm. He IS the realm. Sheogorath is Jyggalag. If he could ever leave the realm, it would cease to exist, with the major lack of power.

I just don't see it.

My actual favourite theory is that the CoC has fallen into a game of Sheogorath, and is huddled on the floor, delusionally thinking he is Sheogorath.



Also, where the lore is involved, the PC has ONLY done the main quests of the main game and the expansions. Nothing more is referred to, nothing less. CoC didn't neccessarily gain favour of all the Princes. Nerevarine didn't neccessarily become Arch Magister of House Telvanni, etc. But this will probably read as "What's better - Morrowind or Oblivion?" to most. :shrug:

I would say Arena's hero is most impressive. He scaled the entirety of Tamriel. And I believe only in a few years.

If you include becoming Sheogorath, Oblivion wins. If not, then Morrowind wins. Really can't vote on this one.