I found the annihilation of Vvardenfell an awesome move. It shows they're up for something big and aren't scared of change, plus it was bound to happen. Too bad it bumped so many (Morrwind) fans to the chest.


For the war I'd like to see, I'll go for a realistic scenario, starting from the "Morrowing vs Black Marsh" going on
- Skyrim supports the Dark Elves
- Cyrodiil is obliged to follow, certainly now the Nords are the closest they have to allies
- Skyrim continues the wars on Hammerfell and High Rock
- Orcs possibly side with Skyrim in return for some land of their own
- the Valenwood-Elsweyr war starts off again
- Cyrodiil allies with Elsweyr, in exchange for help against the Argonians
- Summerset Isle sides with "their" Valenwood

So two sides:
Morrowind, Skyrim, Cyrodiil, Orcs and Elsweyr in some sort of close alliance.
Black Marsh, Hammerfell, High Rock, Valenwood and Summerset not really working together, just having the same enemy.

the nords and dunmer are long time enemies. why would they ally?
the orcs moreso

I voted High Rock and Hammerfell, influenced by the drama and politics in Daggerfall.

As for Morrowind vs. Argonia, the reason Argonia was able to invade is because Morrowind was in utter chaos. They were still battling themselves as Vvardenfell was still only recently opened to more than the Temple, so the Great Houses were still fighting over it. On top of the greatest warriors and mages fighting eachother, Redoran was battling the Nords. Then the Ministry of Truth crashed down, and ****ed everything up.

You unite all of the Great Houses and the Temple against the Argonians, it's a pretty one sided battle. House Redoran are better warriors, while the Telvanni mages are the deadliest beings alive. there's a reason why they haven't died in over 200-500 years.

Civil war everywhere! Established governments versus Rebels versus the Imperial Army.

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Well Argonia invaded Morrowind to free their people, also Argonia has deadly mages like Telvanni. House Dres is probaly completly F'ed up, they rely on Farming and slavery.

* House dres is dependent on farming (salt rice) which the land is dead now, a volcanic ash will kill any plant life, just like what happened in Iceland.
*House Dres is also dependent on slaves, Argonians not only freed their people but burned down Tear ( I believe, pleas correct me if Im wrong). The Dres sold their slaves to the Sload for vast ammounts of Gold (or whatever).

* House Telvanni, now Im not sure about them, maybe their mushroom houses where destroyed, but we are talking about Telvanni, they could of protected themselves, by making a force field or barrier around their cities, or transported them(maybe).

* House Redoren, they have the highest chances of survival, their redorian style of Architecture is maybe made to stand that, but then the comet.....
* House Hlaalu is, obviously not adapted to survive anything, they are't that Economically smart now, are they.
* Indoril, I have nothing to support them, so thats all.

If you ask me, Argonians could just stick around it Black Marsh, Say the Empire invades Black Marsh ( which already happened), they wont get far, like "last time". They cant survive the Hist, marshes diseases. Even Dunmer cant invade. Only ones will be Altmer, Red Guard, and maybe the Akiviri. (disease resist, thats what Im going by)

I despise the concept of province vs province battles. I love the idea of alliance vs alliance battles. Each province has many kings and noblemen who never all work together. They infight. They deceive. It needs to be group vs group, and never province vs province. There can be hatred toward racial or cultural groups however.

For example: Helseth. He is the king of Morrowind, but more accurately, the King of five major factions of dark elves. He may wrangle them together, but their purposes aren't his to decide.

And you wouldn't want to see that?


After what happened to the Dunmer in Infernal City, the Nords surprisingly helped the Dunmer. Granted, it was only Solstheim, which is Morrowind territory, but it still would be nice to see different race's opinions change. I mean, I don't want the same story all the way through TES.

The Nords and Dunmer are actually quite similar.

They both respect the past
They both respect the dead
They both honour thier ancestors
They both honor ancient heroes

moreso than a lot of other races.

etc. I think the Nords just felt bad for the Dunmer, myself. They're good people, and wouldn't want to see a genocide.


I think these fights should stay mostly as political fights, with occasional small scale wars. I liked how the great houses where in Morrowind.

And by the way, the dunmer move to Solthiem, the nords had to help them, since there's no words of them fighting for the land.

I'd question they're just good people part. To note, the nords of Solstheim are very different from the nords of Skyrim, religion-wise and culturally. However, the nords of Skyrim do revere Shor, and Mundus was his divine mercy. Vivec agrees with the nords about Shor's divine mercy. Also, I highly doubt the dunmer are going to be worshiping the daedra any time soon. The Oblivion Crisis, and the Red Year would have to make them completely jaded against them, and just might turn only towards their ancestors (until they find Shor )

They still worship the Tribunal well into the fth Era.

During Oblivion the Nords were taking over Solstheim, and I'm going to assume that by the time of the Infernal City it was completly Nordic.

Looks to be more like they follow the teachings and lessons of Vivec, which explains why Shor did what he did. That is if you are basing this off of the Loveletter

Didn't know that. Well, that's more to support that the Nords are now allied with the Dunmer.

Why did they fight over Soltheim, anyway? I mean, neither side has much use of it, I could only think that the nord want thier dead to be properly honoured, or something. It's not very resourceful, apart from Raven Rock, I think. And there's not much historical or religious value, apart from the warring there, which isn't really that important from the views of the whole Nordic empire. I may be absolutely wrong, of course. And it may just be out of princible. Was it owned by the Nords or Dunmer first?

You guys have to remember, Solstheim is pretty much it's own place, not really "owned" by anyone. The culture and beliefs of the major settlement, the Skaal, are quite different than the nords of Skyrim. As for religious value, only the Skaal find the island highly religious, as they're pretty much the tree huggers of the nords.

As for who owned it first, the nords owned Morrowind first, but were driven out when the Chimer came. As for the look of things, I doubt the dunmer tried to occupy Solstheim; would have been too cold for the primitive Chimer.

I hated Skaal village, I had a companion with me at the time when I had to distract this nordic zombie guy while this nord killed him, then he got mad, then I went to his house and he attempted murder on me, so I obviously killed him and then the village hated me!

Anyways, when the Nords owned parts of Morrowind, they probably where deeply affected by blight, and many Nords left, then the Chimer drew back the remaining of the Nords. Also I think I think Solthiem is more of value to the Nords then Vvadenfell. So if they where to attack/ invade one of the two, they would prefer Soltheim, due to ebony deposits. Skyrim is also not a united provence, it is made up of city states, that are more politically interested in war against their rival city states, not some mighty provence like Morrowind.

Vvardenfell is far more valuable in terms of ebony. There's only Raven Rock in Solstheim, and that was only discovered during it's quest in Bloodmoon. Not to mention the kwama trade and glass mines in Vvardenfell.

This has really turned into a lore thread about Nords and Dunmer


What would the steriotypical Nord from Skyrim be? I would think that they are pretty decent people. They've always been interpreted as such. (A few cases are different, but there's people like that in every race)

I would want Skyrim to invade Cyrodiil.
It reminds me of the fall of Rome (Imperial city is like Rome) and the Nords are like the Visigoths, who sack the city. I'm a svcker for similarities between the romans and other things.

I think in Skyrim the Nords would be acccepting to outlanders, they are nothing like Dunmer, hopefully, but in Solthiem the Nords made me feel outlandish, thats because they were religious nords.

i would actually like to see summerset vs high rock since it would be basically mages standing on the shoreline shooting fireballs at each others islands. you cant really invade cause both of them could just whip up a super storm and sink any ships or crash any air vehicles.

elf vs human vs beast would be awesome cause it would mean the end of those stupid cats and lizards, although i hopefully the orcs would survive.

my favorite would be if the enclave working along side the brotherhood of steel found some wormhole or interdimensional gate. lets see how nirn stands up to a BoS/enclave onslaught. muhahahahahahahahaha :drool:

First of all. in the beast races defense, they are beating up others at this point, khajiit are invading Valenwood (and have been for centuries). The Argonians are going to Morrowind and are capturing it, and their probably heading to the Leyawiin to capture country leyawiin,

yeah except that it took a plague and mountain blowing up in morrowind and a collapse of the government and invasion of fetish freaks in cyrodil to get them to that point.

bretons, redguards, imperials, nords vs kitties, lizards and orcs........no contest. same with dumner, altmer, and ill give you bosmer as the equivalent of fighting hobbits. but the elves would still win. elves vs humans is a different story and i could make that go either way in my mind since they are more closely matched. although the elves are hampered with hobbits.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the beast race's independancy, other than for some "I hate the beasts" point of view? I just think that they where all the more awesome, being such struggling races. Argonians, especially, sharing a border with Morrowind. I've always loved hate in games. The beast races just fit perfectly.

for me my hatred of the beast races stems from there being two archetypal characters in games. the familiar with a slight twist and the totally foreign and exotic. the problem for me is that beast races dont fit either set. elves are basically humans with pointy ears while say the reapers from mass effect are completely alien and about as disimilar to a human as you can get. both fit into my imagination nicely.

khajit and argonians are familar but not in a good way. argonians and khajits constantly remind me of the familiar pets i see in my friends fish tanks or my cat chloe who attacks my feet when i move them too much. orcs i can stand since they are like elves, human but slightly different and are in lots and lots of different games. every single time i see a khajit i expect them to start meowing. mass effect did aliens right, you have the asari race on one end, on the other end you have a entirely new and original race the krogans (my fave race)

I voted Skyrim vs. Morrowind, but I would like to see either Hammerfell or Highrock vs. Valenwood.

No, your not the only one, the only reason I have respect for Argonians is because the terrain they live in and who they share their borders with, the two strongest provinces in Tamriel. Cyrodiil, and Morrowind, and just because their beating up Morrowind, that does't mean the hatred is gone, its probably more hate bewteen those two races then there ever was before, as for Khajiit, I never cared much for them, their the only race I never was, but thats not because I hate or dislike them. Its that I have no respect for them, but theres many races I have no respect for, and Im ready to get my daily hate messages, Nords, Orcs, Wood Elves, and bretons.