Most of Morrowind Destroyed after Oblivion?

Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 am

I don't understand, I just read it i UESPWiki... how could the Ministry of Truth crash? how could the Red Mountain explode?
Can someone explain that to me please O=

Bethesda needed the engine for Oblivion so Morrowind didn't have any weird physics anymore? :P
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:28 am

there was a book.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:19 am

there was a book.

Ah yes, books are indeed the greatest of all evils, aren't they? :P
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:18 pm

I don't understand, I just read it i UESPWiki... how could the Ministry of Truth crash? how could the Red Mountain explode?
Can someone explain that to me please O=

Bethesda needed the engine for Oblivion so Morrowind didn't have any weird physics anymore? :P


Certain passages in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec allude to the fact that when the people of Morrowind cease to love Vivec, the asteroid Baar Dau was sent by Sheogorath to destroy Vivec, who promptly stopped it in time. It retained its original, supersonic velocity and when unfrozen crashed into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and the inner sea to tsunami. Vvardenfell was engulfed with lava, most of morrowind was flooded and/or tsunami'd into submission. Then the Argonians came and got their long-awaited revenge.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:40 am

Certain passages in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec allude to the fact that when the people of Morrowind cease to love Vivec, the asteroid Baar Dau was sent by Sheogorath to destroy Vivec, who promptly stopped it in time. It retained its original, supersonic velocity and when unfrozen crashed into Vvardenfell, causing Red Mountain to erupt and the inner sea to tsunami. Vvardenfell was engulfed with lava, most of morrowind was flooded and/or tsunami'd into submission. Then the Argonians came and got their long-awaited revenge.


Why did it unfreeze? The magic wore off?

And what sort of revenge for the Argonians? :P
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:56 am

Why did it unfreeze? The magic wore off?

And what sort of revenge for the Argonians? :P


Vivec has disappeared, unaccounted for. It's possible that the Nerevarine killed him, or he could have used his magical godheadly powers to transcend the universe and go to Aetherius (magic heaven). Or something different. Either way, people stopped loving him, so the moon was unfrozen.

The Dunmer have raided Argonia for slaves for millennia, the Argonians invaded, killing and enslaving every Dunmer they find. The remaining native Dunmer are now living on Solstheim.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:04 am

A rumour you can hear in oblivion suggests Vivec dissapeared during the oblivion crisis. He may have fallen to daedra, he may be trapped in oblivion, we dont know.
The effect however was that the Baar-Dau moonlet became unstable. An ingenium was devised that used souls to keep Baar-Dau from falling, but it failed and the moonlet regained its original momentum, destroying Vivec city. The shockwave set off red mountain and most of Vvardenfell was destroyed.


My question is: What does this make of Veloth? How is he a prophet after his promised land fell to the Argonians and most of the Dunmer had to flee to Sollstheim?
And following that: What about Azura? Only decades before she aided the Nerevarine against Dagoth Ur, in the end tasking him to keep her beloved Morrowind safe. Was that daedric trickery? Did Azura not so much care for Morrowind as she did that AlmSIVi disobeyed her, and used Lorkhans heart to achieve godhood?
I know I lost a lot of love I had for the prince of dawn and dusk after I learned of Vvardenfells destruction.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:33 pm

When is the time line for this? Is it during Oblivion right after, or distance future?
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:01 am

It happened during Oblivion.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:39 pm

It happened during Oblivion.


The novel "The Infernal City" seems to indicate it was several years after the Oblivion Crisis, with the events in the novel set forty-some years after the Crisis. I'd guess the moon fell within five years after the Oblivion Crisis, but maybe there's a timeline at the Imperial Library website. Vvardenfell became even more of a wasteland but we haven't been told yet how much of mainland Morrowind was destroyed. We can probably assume the majority of Morrowind's population was either killed or fled into diaspora.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:22 am

Haven't read the book yet but I thought it was shortly after the oblivion crisis, judging from other topics I have read on these forums.

In any case, this does set quite the stage for the next installment. The next game being in Skyrim which seems te be in a civil war of somekind (or atleast a war of humans versus humans) and has a load of dunmer refugees along its eastern border. We haven't seen the last of the dunmer yet.

Concerning Azura, Deadra work in mysterious ways and even with the destruction of Dagoth Ur Azura is not the only deity playing the field in this scenario. The oblivion crisis was not her doing but of another deadra, and as such the disappearence of Vivec was possibly not planned for. Besides that she asked the Nerevarine to keep Morrowind safe who subsequently decided to go on a little trip to Akavir, either that is a big F you to Azura or there are plans at work here with such a depth that we just can not tell.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:02 am

The oblivion crisis was not her doing but of another deadra, and as such the disappearence of Vivec was possibly not planned for.

Landfall could occur whether Vivec disappeared or not. It actually seems his disappearence had no direct effect on the rock, as it remained still for several years afterward. It fell when the people of Vivec City stopped loving Vivec, and Azura's plan the whole time was the downfall of the Tribunal. She had to have known that would eventually lead the Dunmer to stop loving Vivec and cause Landfall. Yet she did nothing to stop it, and didn't even warn them to get away (that I know, at least).
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:56 pm

Was that daedric trickery? Did Azura not so much care for Morrowind as she did that AlmSIVi disobeyed her, and used Lorkhans heart to achieve godhood?


This. There are several in game books that detail Azura's nature. She comes off as a drama queen or attention *ahem*, in my opinion. When she found you in MW, she was thinking of her chance at revenge, not morrowind's best interests.

Athynic summoned Azura. After the usual rituals by which the priest declared his faith in her powers and Azura agreed to do no harm to him, Nchylbar and a dozen of his students entered the summoning chamber, carrying with them a large box.

“As we see you in our land, Azura, you are the Goddess of the Dusk and Dawn and all the mysteries therein,” said Nchylbar, trying to appear as kindly and obsequious as he could be. “It is said that your knowledge is absolute.”

“So it is,” smiled the Daedra.

“You would know, for example, what is in this wooden box,” said Nchylbar.

Azura turned to Athynic, her brow furrowed. The priest was quick to explain, “Goddess, this Dwemer is a very wise and respected man. Believe me, please, the intention is not to mock your greatness, but to demonstrate it to this scientist and to the rest of his skeptical race. I have tried to explain your power to him, but his philosophy is such that he must see it demonstrated.”

If I am to demonstrate my might in a way to bring the Dwemer race to understanding, it might have been a more impressive feat you would have me do,” growled Azura, and turned to look Nchylbar in the eyes. “There is a red-petalled flower in the box.”

Nchylbar did not smile or frown. He simply opened the box and revealed to all that it was empty.

When the students turned to look to Azura, she was gone. Only Athynic had seen the Goddess's expression before she vanished, and he could not speak, he was trembling so. A curse had fallen, he knew that truly, but even crueler was the knowledge of divine power that had been demonstrated.

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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:15 am

I dont think the tales of Marobar Sul should be used in any way to understand either the Dwemer or the Daedra.

In Morrowind it is clearly stated that these are not Dwemer folk tales at all, rather Dunmer folk tales given a 'Dwemer' look by the author.

They are fairytales and should not be used to try and understand the Dwemer or Daedra.

Many of these cautionary or amusing tales exist in our own culture, but no student of mythology would seek a deeper understanding of Jesus by reading the tales of the brothers Grimm.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:15 am

I dont think the tales of Marobar Sul should be used in any way to understand either the Dwemer or the Daedra.

In Morrowind it is clearly stated that these are not Dwemer folk tales at all, rather Dunmer folk tales given a 'Dwemer' look by the author.

They are fairytales and should not be used to try and understand the Dwemer or Daedra.

Many of these cautionary or amusing tales exist in our own culture, but no student of mythology would seek a deeper understanding of Jesus by reading the tales of the brothers Grimm.


I think though that Vivec's account has the ring of truth: "And no sooner than we had completed our rituals and begun to discover our new-found powers, the Daedra Lord Azura appeared and cursed us for our foresworn oaths. By her powers of prophecy, she assured us that her champion, Nerevar, true to his oath, would return to punish us for our perfidy, and to make sure such profane knowledge might never again be used to mock and defy the will of the gods. But Sotha Sil said to her, "The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you." Then the Chimer are suddenly transformed into Dunmer, though Azura claims it was the Tribunal's fault.
. . . "And Azura left us alone, in darkness, and we were all afraid, but we put on brave faces, and went forth from Red Mountain to build the new world of our dreams." [From "The Battle of Red Mountain"]

Azura can be seen like a murderer screaming "Look what you made me do!" You are her puppet in "Morrowind" just as you are Almalexia's puppet in "Tribunal". But the Nerevarine eventually cuts his or her strings and leaves for Akavir.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:26 am

The novel "The Infernal City" seems to indicate it was several years after the Oblivion Crisis, with the events in the novel set forty-some years after the Crisis. I'd guess the moon fell within five years after the Oblivion Crisis, but maybe there's a timeline at the Imperial Library website. Vvardenfell became even more of a wasteland but we haven't been told yet how much of mainland Morrowind was destroyed. We can probably assume the majority of Morrowind's population was either killed or fled into diaspora.


Oh interesting.
Haven't read the novel yet.
Will have to do that before Skyrim.
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Post » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:06 pm

According to Sul's dialog, it happened forty-three years before the novel, which puts it two years after Oblivion.
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