I still think that King Helseth is a quit powerfull royality figure now a days

And I remain by my choice of Queen Barenziah. She can command Helseth around with her mommy-powers. Not to mention she slept with half of Mundus and probably most of Oblivion, giving her a LOT of influence.

In all of tamriel? Hmm....... Ocato. I Believe he was involved in the Mythic dawn plot, despit there being no evidence, and his actual aid of taking down lord dagon. But perhaps.....


He found and trained a certain Mankor Camoran into a Dagon Fanatic, to assinate the emperor, to make Ocato De Facto Ruler. Ocato then sought a Champion( i.e., the main character(you)) to destroy dagon, by seeking out martin. Knowing martin would sacrifice himself, Ocato becomes ruler. At the same time, Ocato enlisted the help of Lord Sheogorath and Umaril the Unfeathered, to distract the empire, with chapel arttacks(ala Umaril) and psychotic nutjobs and other worlds(ala sheogorath) to make mass confusion and hysteria among the empire. In this mass hysteria, he sends legion commando teams to each province, assinate all powerful people in sed provinces, and put up Imperial Leaders. Upon consulting with the mages guild, he also had access to a cloning mechanism to make millions upon millions of legion soldiers to control the empire, build roads, and maintain peace. The elder council would then be seperated to each province to help lead in each place. As his final move, he makes the Champion of Cyrodill go on an expedition to Akavir to "settle it", on the way he is killed by an army of legion soldiers hiding in the forest, each with full enchanted daedric armor.

This is how Ocato will take full control.

I doubt your theory, BM, simply because according to Uriel and Jauffre, noone but them even knew about the heir. So unless Ocato had deals with Mehrunes himself, I highly doubt it.

Whats to stop Ocato from that? From what I hear, Jagar Tharn Did some dealings with Dagon. Ocato is a devious mind, mark my words!

I guess only TES V can tell the future. However, if Ocato really wanted power, he would simply make himself the ruler after Martin's death. Yet he is looking for a new emporer, possibly the Champion.

ocato couldnt do that with out the consent of the elder council

Think about it. During the Oblivion crisis, there was no emporer. The world was going to end. He could have pulled a Hitler and made himself supreme ruler for the duration of the event and strip all other bodies of power. Who would have objected with daedra crawling out of the woodworks? During that time he could then have strenghtened his position to a degree - by changing the constitution or whatever- that he would have remained that dictator.

You make him sound like Emperor Palpatine.

But give me one good reason why the Legion would want to follow his orders. Not to mention all the other kings of Tamriel.

Because he wears a pretty red robe

Look at it like this: Hitler took control after the Reichstag was burned down. He then said 'lulz de jews n comunists r bad n il mak dem go aweh'. The people ate it up and he eventually got supreme power. In Tamriel's case, simply replace 'jews n comunists' with 'ebul Daedraz'.

Absolutely not comparable, wrong and certainly not "simple".

And you want to replace Reichstag with Kvatch?

I mostly agree with Nalion:

The major problem I have with this comparision is that the Empire is a state comprised of several different nations, Germany however was not.
Another problem is that the jews and the communists were innocent, while the deadra were not.
Thirdly while Hitler "defeated" the "enemies" of the German people, Ocato did no such thing. It wasn't Ocato who defeated the deadra, it was Martin and the Champion who did so.

Ocato has the keys to the Empires treasury chest.

Ocato would be the logical person to take over

He has the peoples support because he guided them through the Oblivion crisis, He was the Battlemage, He lives in the friggen palace and he's already pretty much in charge any way.

Let's put this to rest, Ocato is no fool.

From Morrowind:
Uriel Septim was never a strong Emperor. And now he's finally dying of age and illness. A coward's death. They say Ocato makes the real decisions. They say Uriel's heirs are really Daedra or shapeshifters planted by Jagar Tharn. They say the Emperor might pull back the Legions to try and protect himself. Some of the generals in the Legions have one eye on Uriel Septim and one eye on the throne. At a time like this, only the Imperial Guilds with strong allies will survive.

uriel was cool, how dare the generals

How does a man's relative temperature merit respect from his military underlings?

So General Warhaft has a chance then at power, very interesting.

I'd say they're setting up Ocato as a Nikita Khrushchev, a powerful yes man with uncritical obedience, but at the time of the Oblivion crisis he has not become powerful enough to take the reins of the empire. I haven't seen them say, but it is safe to assume he is at best a minor noble in his homeland since he isn't married to Morgiah. I doubt it would make sense to anyone in Tamriel for a smooth transition into Ocato being the emperor, and it would be impossible to have the nobles be unwilling to play the crisis aftermath to their advantage. For the next game I am guessing there is a land grab in the weakened areas.

:clap: :trophy:

We don't know if there are any wizards in the Summerset Isles that rival Divayth Fyr's power. It would be interesting to see what the Land of the Altmer has. As for Divayth Fyr, he's undoubtably one of the most powerful magically (and martially) but he seems less interested in politics than even the other Telvanni.

Depends on how you see it. But as the Lore/Ritemasters of Artaeum they will probably be more or less similar in magical skill as Divayth but I belive him to be one of the elits.

Well, Divath was a member of the PSJJJJJ...

Yes I know. But we dont know what his status were and I forgot to mention it in my former post.

If only that had been the plot of TES IV...