Most Powerful Protagonist between Nerevarine, Champion of Cy : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:24 pm

I readed somewhere that Nerevarine is Dragon-Born so ....................

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Lost_Prophecy

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:17 pm

Guys...

Spoiler

In the game, Sheogorath mentions Martin and says he was there under the Oblivion Crisis. He also mentions several things that can be related to Oblivion, like a fox (Grey Fox), a cut off head (Mothers head from DB) and cheese (maybe a referance to Sheogoraths dialogue)
So we're dealing with the same guy here.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:15 pm

I readed somewhere that Nerevarine is Dragon-Born so ....................

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Lost_Prophecy

That just means that you're born somewhere in the Empire, it has caused a bit of confusion though.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:25 pm

I readed somewhere that Nerevarine is Dragon-Born so ....................

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Lost_Prophecy

thats interesting i forgot that part of the prophecies. I wonder if that means the nerevarine could read the words on the dragon walls if he were to goto skyrim?

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:21 pm

People should leave DLC out of these debates honestly.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:21 am

People should leave DLC out of these debates honestly.

Its in skyrim, thus it has become canon.

No discussion is needed about this, the DLC are always going to be lore.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:50 pm

- Nerevarine = I would say that this guy is special in any sort of way, I mean, he's the champion of Azura so I guess that gives him a few tricks but I think a normal person could be as good as them in combat with enough training. However, he did manage to beat an ASPECT of Hircine will I assume is no small feat. They also took down Almalexia, one of the three Dunmer gods, and arguably the most powerful of the three.

The Nerevarine is also immortal because of Corprus. If he was able to take down Dagoth Ur, Almalexia (2 Man-Gods) and the Aspect of Hircine (A Daedric God) while he was young, imagine what he can do now with all the training/experience he's had in the past 200-250 years since Morrowind. Not to mention he's been to Akavir, who knows what kind of [censored] he's learned there.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:30 pm

Anyone else think we've got a sort of...

"I'm a God that can stop time and you'd damage yourself if you tried to damage me."
"Screw you, I'm from the most recent game and currently the talk of the town."

sort of logic going on here?

I seriously see Dovahkiin as the weakest of the three. Easily.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:44 am

Just because CoC is a god doesn't mean he can't be killed by mortals. Lore-wise it's a toss up between all three.

Daedra cannot ever be killed, only changed or put back into their realm.

Only Aedra can.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:50 am

That just means that you're born somewhere in the Empire, it has caused a bit of confusion though.

Yes it may be. But as a prophecy is vague and give lot of room for speculation... or even belief! hehe

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:01 pm

The Nerevarine, because he absorbed the hearth and is now the last remaining Dunmer god.

And with his marriage with Azura, he will rule them all.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:05 am

Its in skyrim, thus it has become canon.

No discussion is needed about this, the DLC are always going to be lore.

Which book has anything about the character in Oblivion becomming sheo? I never saw anything about this in Skyrim.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:38 am

Anyone else think we've got a sort of...

"I'm a God that can stop time and you'd damage yourself if you tried to damage me."
"Screw you, I'm from the most recent game and currently the talk of the town."

sort of logic going on here?

I seriously see Dovahkiin as the weakest of the three. Easily.

madness good old madness

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:36 am

Anyone else think we've got a sort of...

"I'm a God that can stop time and you'd damage yourself if you tried to damage me."
"Screw you, I'm from the most recent game and currently the talk of the town."

sort of logic going on here?

I seriously see Dovahkiin as the weakest of the three. Easily.

I think many talking about the lore of the game, Dovakiin being dragonborn and a master of the thu'um is obviously the most powerful.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:28 pm

Well If we're talking xbox (with the many superior gliches/cheats) seeing as how my nerevarine could move across the sky like a ufo, Could kill ANYTHING with one hit with any weapon,and cast down nuclear bombs and had over 3000 health and magicka which also quickly regenerated. Id have to say nerevarine

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:43 pm

People need to stop thinking of the titles and think of what they can actually do, when you do think like that you will clearly see that the dragonborn can kill those 2 in just a few sec, simple because dragon shouts > everything

ROFLMAO no. Dragonborn = dragon killer, Nerevarine = God killer, Champion of Cyrodiil = eventually a God. From those descriptions, I would say that the Nerevarine would beat the Champion, and the Champion would beat the Dragonborn. Plus, no one knows what happened to the Nerevarine, except that he went to Akavir. For all we know, he encountered a force that made him even more powerful, or perhaps killed him. The lore isn't specific enough for an actual comparison of the characters, because much of what happens after the game is unknown.

And as far as the game mechanics goes, the Nerevarine would DEFINITELY win there, so I see why that isn't part of the vote.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:44 pm

Which book has anything about the character in Oblivion becomming sheo? I never saw anything about this in Skyrim.

The game itself is just a book, kinda the whole point of an "elder scroll" is to see the story

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:56 am

The Nerevarine is also immortal because of Corprus. If he was able to take down Dagoth Ur, Almalexia (2 Man-Gods) and the Aspect of Hircine (A Daedric God) while he was young, imagine what he can do now with all the training/experience he's had in the past 200-250 years since Morrowind. Not to mention he's been to Akavir, who knows what kind of [censored] he's learned there.

Ah, that's a fair point. I forgot about Corprus. Yeah, however, I don't think an Aspect of a Daedric God is as powerful as Akatosh's (Probably the most powerful Aedra), first child or creation. Plus, Corprus only makes your immune from old age deaths, a blade to the heart will still knock you cold. He may have possibly died at Akavir, after fighting Tosh'Raka or something like that. I really don't like getting into these debates as everyone's character is different and people like the think they have varying levels of power.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:27 pm

I think many talking about the lore of the game, Dovakiin being dragonborn and a master of the thu'um is obviously the most powerful.

Yes, because I'm sure that if I die and get sent to Hell, it's ok because I'll just scream at GOD with my really powerful throat and he'd eventually be forced to let me into Heaven.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:21 am

COC is laaaame. If it weren't for that DLC he wouldn't be special at all. And plus guys, don't you notice how helpless the daedra are without using other humans as their tools and pawns? So what would sheo do? Send a human to go kill dova or nerevar? I think that human would get torn apart by either of them lol.

I voted Nerevar cause I'm biased. But seriously, he's arleady killed someone with the power of a god and can basically live forever from Corpus. I think it'd be a good match between Dova and Nerevar.

But yea, Nerevarine!!

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:04 pm

COC is laaaame. If it weren't for that DLC he wouldn't be special at all. And plus guys, don't you notice how helpless the daedra are without using other humans as their tools and pawns? So what would sheo do? Send a human to go kill dova or nerevar? I think that human would get torn apart by either of them lol.

You're right. Lazy Sheo.
Why don't you go slap him across the face for being so helpless and lazy and see what happens. I bet he apologizes and begs for mercy, then you win cake.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:35 pm

ROFLMAO no. Dragonborn = dragon killer, Nerevarine = God killer, Champion of Cyrodiil = eventually a God. From those descriptions, I would say that the Nerevarine would beat the Champion, and the Champion would beat the Dragonborn. Plus, no one knows what happened to the Nerevarine, except that he went to Akavir. For all we know, he encountered a force that made him even more powerful, or perhaps killed him. The lore isn't specific enough for an actual comparison of the characters, because much of what happens after the game is unknown.

And as far as the game mechanics goes, the Nerevarine would DEFINITELY win there, so I see why that isn't part of the vote.

I'd just like the point out, Dragonborn is pretty much a God killer as well. Alduin is the chief creation of Akatosh, who is probably the most powerful out of every Aedra/Daedra. The Tribunal lost a lot of their power when the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed IIRC, so I would exactly put them up at 'God' status anymore - just very powerful being.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:39 pm

The game itself is just a book, kinda the whole point of an "elder scroll" is to see the story

Youre not making any sense, you say "its in skyrim" that the character in oblivion becomes a god, but I havent seen any evidence of this. Make sense, think before you write.

» Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:36 pm

You're right. Lazy Sheo.
Why don't you go slap him across the face for being so helpless and lazy and see what happens. I bet he apologizes and begs for mercy, then you win cake.

Exactly, they'd have to go TO sheo for him to do anything besides manipulate there way to getting dova or nerevar defeated. Which I don't see happening

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:08 am

Clearly it's the champion of Cyrodiil, he's a Daedric God....