Most Powerful Protagonist between Nerevarine, Champion of Cy

Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:29 pm

Seriously people. :facepalm:


Champion of Cyrodiil IS NOW A FREAKING GOD. And not one of those squishy Aedra gods that can die; no, he's a Daedric god. Y'know, the ones that have yet to be killed by anyone or anything, and the type of god that helped Nerevarine get as strong as he is.



"Ya but lyk dovahkiin ken lyk shout rly loud at him n stuff"
No [censored]? My girlfriend's four year old niece can shout really loud too. Doesn't mean I can't kick her ass in a fight, or that I'm gonna shield myself behind her if the devil himself appears in my house.


Yes, however, Dovahkiin can become invulnerable and since we're going off lore rather than gameplay - there would be no cooldown on how much he could use Thu'um. Now, the CoC is insanely powerful now that he is Sheogorath, but we still don't know how powerful Dovahkiin may become in the expansions/ DLC - so I will withhold my final verdict until then. However, as it currently stands.

CoC > Dovahkiin > Nerevarine.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:37 pm

True, but if you remember none of his god powers worked outside of the shivering isles, so he could constantly get banished back to the isles and not die, but if he cant actually kill whoever it is hes fighting, he'll eventually just have to give up.

Semantics. He still has any ability he would have had before becoming a daedra, and so could still put up a fight; besides, seeing as he's immortal he wouldn't ever need to give up. Besides, every time he wounds them they're suffering the same way any mortal would, the CoC does not.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:54 pm

The question simply was "who is the strongest". Too vague for me, because it'll instantly be biased towards Nerevarine and CoC, who are both basically immortals.

I want to know who wins in one single battle.
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I say vegeta wins.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:47 pm

Yes, however, Dovahkiin can become invulnerable and since we're going off lore rather than gameplay - there would be no cooldown on how much he could use Thu'um. Now, the CoC is insanely powerful now that he is Sheogorath, but we still don't know how powerful Dovahkiin may become in the expansions/ DLC - so I will withhold my final verdict until then. However, as it currently stands.

CoC > Dovahkiin > Nerevarine.

IIRC the book Olaf and the dragon suggests that shouting eventually exhausts the shouter..
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:38 pm

IIRC the book Olaf and the dragon suggests that shouting eventually exhausts the shouter..


Yes and this is why I HATE discussion of who is stronger. One could argue that since Dovahkiin is blessed by Akatosh, he could constantly use Thu'um if he desired. We can argue all we want but I could easily turn around and say that IN MY GAME WORLD Dovahkiin is the strongest of the two, while another may say that their CoC is the strongest. :(
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:27 am

When I hear of Corprus I imagine regeneration (like Wolverine Style). Also, add to the fact that Nerevar's army defeated the Dragonborns.

Right now I vote for Nerevarine not because he is the strongest, but Lore-wise he had the most history (claiming feats that no mortal can do) so he deserves something.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:16 pm

I need source on that! I had no idea that Aedra could be killed... and Daedra could not? Aren't the former an evolution of the same primal spirits come to Mundus?


the ingame book, the aedra and the daedra says that aedra can die and daedra cant, and it mentions how lorkhan died.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:35 am

When I hear of Corprus I imagine regeneration (like Wolverine Style). Also, add to the fact that Nerevar's army defeated the Dragonborns.

Right now I vote for Nerevarine not because he is the strongest, but Lore-wise he had the most history (claiming feats that no mortal can do) so he deserves something.


See, this is what I mean. People interpret things in the game differently, thus we can't really come to a solid conclusion unless everyone agrees on standard game/lore abilities etc.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:29 pm

Also if you waited like a year with the nerevarine when you had corprus, you could get your strength and endurance to 2000 or whatever number you wanted, and when dyvath fyr gives you the medicine and cures the negative effects, you can one hit any god, daedra or aedra dont matter.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:34 pm

Yes and this is why I HATE discussion of who is stronger. One could argue that since Dovahkiin is blessed by Akatosh, he could constantly use Thu'um if he desired. We can argue all we want but I could easily turn around and say that IN MY GAME WORLD Dovahkiin is the strongest of the two, while another may say that their CoC is the strongest. :(

It is entirely possible to make an objective comparison though seeing as we know the status and events of each character. Sure, your character in Morrowind might be weaker than your character in Oblivion etc, but on an objective scale, one is ageless and the other is now a god lol.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:45 am

My heart's with Nerevarine, to be honest. I pity the Dunmer so much. The most misunderstood race in Tamriel. The dunmer pretty much suffered not because of their actions but because of the greed of others. After turning into dunmer they tried their best to become proud of who they are. They are the victims of their curse from Azura.

For me they are the misunderstood kid of the family that was originally sweet but turned bad because of other people's prejudice.:(
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:20 pm

It is entirely possible to make an objective comparison though seeing as we know the status and events of each character. Sure, your character in Morrowind might be weaker than your character in Oblivion etc, but on an objective scale, one is ageless and the other is now a god lol.


Yeah, that's true. However, the story of Dovahkiin has yet to be told, so we may see some interesting things. :)
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:21 am

I wish people would learn that "Immortal" and "Invincible" is not the same thing.

Also, I vote Nerevarine, for no reason other than Morrowind being the best game.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:22 pm

Lorewise I would have to say the CoC. He becomes a deadric prince and as such cannot die. Outside his plane he may not have his 'gifts' to use freely but if he fails he can always come back, and it's not as if he is without martial skill.
The Nerevarine may be immune to age and disease but can still be killed. Might have even been so, since he has vanished without trace. Not all legendary heroes get a fate befitting their acomplishments.
The Dragonborn is a mortal with the ability to master 'the voice' more rapidly than others, and absorb dragon souls. Terrifying if you happen to be a dragon. Other 'masters' of the voice have perished, there is even a book in game that tells of one taking an arrow through the neck during a siege.

Then again it's all pointless they will never meet and do battle in the lore of the elder scrolls universe, unless there is some funky screwing of the lore.
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:20 am

Champion of Cyrodiil = Immortal Daedra prince.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:01 pm

One could argue that since sheogorath can not die and the Champion surely could the one standing around these Skyrim days is no one else than old man Sheo with new clothes.
You know, personality and such make a person... and since sheo is still sheo, CoC died (unless your CoC was called Sheogorath and was quite mad to begin with)
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:59 pm

To be honest I think the Nerevarine will become like Divayth Fyr. Super strong but will keep unto himself.

I didn't like CoC coz he wasn't strong in the main quest, and in becoming Sheoth, he became a different person. To be honest I didn't like Oblivion that much.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:47 pm

Ok people still do not understand that this topic is if the 3 of them fight vs each other not about what titles they hold, i mean the dragonborn has like 20+ shouts he can use a shout for every situation, freeze shout kill them, slow time kill them, disarm than kill, call a dragon , call a storm, call the champions of sovengard, come on there is no contest here i doesn't metter if the title is GOD OF THE UNIVERSE or if they are blessed by alduin or the nines or whatever, the power they hold it all it metters, and the dragonborn has the most power so yeah dragonborn wins at all times.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:05 pm

Ok people still do not understand that this topic is if the 3 of them fight vs each other not about what titles they hold, i mean the dragonborn has like 20+ shouts he can use a shout for every situation, freeze shout kill them, slow time kill them, disarm than kill, call a dragon , call a storm, call the champions of sovengard, come on there is no contest here i doesn't metter if the title is GOD OF THE UNIVERSE or if they are blessed by alduin or the nines or whatever, the power they hold it all it metters, and the dragonborn has the most power so yeah dragonborn wins at all times.

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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:17 am

Ok people still do not understand that this topic is if the 3 of them fight vs each other not about what titles they hold, i mean the dragonborn has like 20+ shouts he can use a shout for every situation, freeze shout kill them, slow time kill them, disarm than kill, call a dragon , call a storm, call the champions of sovengard, come on there is no contest here i doesn't metter if the title is GOD OF THE UNIVERSE or if they are blessed by alduin or the nines or whatever, the power they hold it all it metters, and the dragonborn has the most power so yeah dragonborn wins at all times.



Again, we're talking lore, but assuming gameplay has some impact on the lore (for example, lore wise the moon and star ring gives Nerevar the power of persuasion. It does the same in game)....

Freeze shot? 100% magic resistance. Both Nerevarine and CoC can get this. Dovahkiin cannot.
Slow time? CoC can freeze time for everyone but himself.
Disarm them? Everyone can do this.
Call a dragon? Considering all three of these characters are likely more than capable of killing a dragon, I don't see what this proves.
Call a storm? Again, CoC can do this.
Call champions from Sovngarde? Again, anyone can call dead spirits.


But by the end of the day, one of them is an invincible God, one of them is god-like (but not a god) and assassinated multiple false gods (who again, were god-like), and the other? The other swung a sword at some dragons.
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:39 pm

The Neravrine was made ageless . So if he/she doesnt get murdered then they have limitless time to get more and more powerful . Maybe that is why they went to Akavir :P
Could return in a future TES series as a protaginist .... mutilated by time bent on power lol
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:44 pm

I would say the Champ of Cyrodil, as he is the lord of a realm (shivering isle's).
nout sure about the neravine, never got halfway the mainquest in morrowind.
Dragonborn, yes, he is powerful, but he isn't a Deadra prince.

gameplay wise, CoC will just send his army of girls(and some dude's) to kill the Nerevine and Dragonborn. :celebration:
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Post » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:00 pm

This is like Darth Revan vs Darth Nihilus thread.

To be honest I'm not happy with the poll. Some characters are basically buffed because of how the game Lore set them. I wish we had a simpler poll with the question: "Which protagonist would you like the most?"
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Post » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:29 am

Again, we're talking lore, but assuming gameplay has some impact on the lore (for example, lore wise the moon and star ring gives Nerevar the power of persuasion. It does the same in game)....

Freeze shot? 100% magic resistance. Both Nerevarine and CoC can get this. Dovahkiin cannot.
Slow time? CoC can freeze time for everyone but himself.
Disarm them? Everyone can do this.
Call a dragon? Considering all three of these characters are likely more than capable of killing a dragon, I don't see what this proves.
Call a storm? Again, CoC can do this.
Call champions from Sovngarde? Again, anyone can call dead spirits.


But by the end of the day, one of them is an invincible God, one of them is god-like (but not a god) and assassinated multiple false gods (who again, were god-like), and the other? The other swung a sword at some dragons.


Ok i do not know where you got all that stuff, how can CoC call a thunder storm, does he have shouts no, how can CoC use disarm at range? Does he have a shout , no, i mean did you play a different game?
Again you are talking lore and what they did, wich has nothing to do in 1v1, what does it metter if someone assassinated multiple false gods,(the dragonborn killed Alduin the world eater), you need to tell the power they used and again the dragonborn has the most power i mean if we are talking about lore i guess you know that Ulfric shouted the high king to pieces , now keep in mind that the dragonborn is 10x stronger, The CoC is the weakest, than 2nd comes nerevar and 1st comes Dovahkiin in 1v1 i mean not what they did, i have only seen morowind never played it but i played Oblivion a lot and i didn't consider my character to be anything as close as powerful as the dragonborn, atm i am lvl 36 and i can almost 1-2 hit anything in skyrim besides giants, and i can use 1-2 duel wield power attacks and kill a dragon in metter of seconds on master difficulty , sorry but the dragonborn is the most power Elder Scrolls character.
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