This is just something that's cropped into my head a while ago. I'm just curious to know how powerufl the daedra are to eachother. I mean, the Dremora Lords are the most poweful of the daedra - being alligned to the Prince of Destruction and all. Or would something, such as Golden Saints, best them in combat?




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Also, another general question: Would an ordinator be more powerful than a Legion Guard? I know a High Ordinator/Hand would, but would a simple Ordinator?

Depends on the daedra/guard/ordinator. Each person is different.

Sorry, you're right. I was bringing gameplay-mechanics of standard Dremora into it. My bad.

It really depends on the persons involved. We can't assume every member of a given military force is going to be at the same level of skill and training as any other.

The most powerful members of the Ordinators are fully trained battlemages and crusaders. However, in the Legions, it's also common for the elite generals and warriors to have similar skills. It might come down to equipment or luck. Both are heavily armored..the one true advantage I can see is that Ordinators commonly use Ebony maces whereas Imperial Legionaries use inferior steel weapons, even the higher ranking members.

Gameplay-wise, I've always found the high-leveled Aurorans to be the toughest. They're resistant to magic and shock, they have a shock shield spell, and the strongest ones are a real pain to kill and carry nasty weapons. Two-handed weapons. In one hand.

On the other hand, there are quite a few weak Aurorans to balance it out.

Yeah..those guys..I know it's a gameplay thing (you're logically supposed to encounter these enemies later than the ones from the MQ) but it makes sense they're of a very tough and ferocious stock. After all these were foot soldiers of a demon-king whose goal was to destroy the largest religious institution in Tamriel. Religious institutions tend to be defended by Paladins in this type of fantasy - and wouldn't you know it - Knights of the Nine appear.

So yeah I'd definitely consider a very strong Auroran commander of a high rank to be comparable as a warrior with any Dremora or Golden Saint.

Lore wise, I seem to recall the highest ranking Dremora to be the most powerful Lesser Daedra.

However, I may well be mistaken as I am no lore buff. If someone could confirm or disprove my statement, it would be much appreciated.

I don't believe such a direct statement is ever made anywhere. If anything, Battlespire seems to imply that there are several levels of beings between Dremora rank and Lord Dagon which are never actually seen. He supposedly has Daedra who act as Dukes, Nobles and other aristocracy in his realm. For all we know there are infinite types of Daedra we've never encountered in any game or lore yet. It's implied that monstrosities such as sea monsters exist in Oblivion, because some were supposedly let loose in the Illiac Bay during the crisis...also, there was that strange giant spider/squid thing that Sul summoned in the novel Infernal City towards the end.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are monstrosities and unclassified Daedra which actually exist between realms, in the black waters of Oblivion.

No, Sul summoned "a monstrous daedra with the head of a crocodile..." Implies a daedroth to me.

I think he was referring to the "phantasmal mass of chitinoid limbs and wings that felt like scorpion and hornet and spider all together.” mentioned on p.285

Ohhhh, forgot about that part.

Also, isn't Oblivion constant change?

So wouldn't that mean there's no limit to the daedra we could see?

Or am I totally off?

Oblivion is actually very static, which is why the daedra are quite predictable. They only change in a sense that they change things up in Mundus by being more direct in the affairs of mortals.

Oh, fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.

I dislike this whole thing about predictability. Would it be possible for the Daedra lords to become unpredictable? (I know Sheogorath is pretty much the embodiment of that) But I mean so Dagon could change the percieved sphere he encompasses and become a mortal-loving guy? Or are they actually 'stuck'? I wouldnt think they are as they were around the same as the aedra etc.

The gods were malleable, when it first wasn't clear what they were, way back in the Merethic. The ancestors were recovering from the Dawn, trying to figure out what the hell happened. But as ideas were transfered, and the gods collected attributes, they became stable. What you get is what you see. Dagon can't swap places with Mephala, if that's what you mean.

Well, it's Shor's gift to mortals to end this.


No. Sheo is the only exception.


Funny thing, Dagon used to be the Kind Leaper Demon King, but since Alduin (who is the nordic version of Akatosh) caught and ate him, he became Mehrunes Dagon and is forced to destroy ALL of Mundus, every last single piece (an impossible task).


Since the dawn of Mundus, the daedra were changed by it, even thought they had no part in it. They are their spheres.

1) I thought Shor only liked the men - not mer. So are mer predictable

2) I thought mortals were predictable - Dyus says he could predict every living thing - mortal or daedric - (besies PC ofc.) with a simple formulae

As far as I know. Shor doesn't like Mer and wants them dead. Ask the Khorne worshipper.

If you observe something long enough you'll know it's move, and if you observe it even longer you'll know their kins next move.

-yes this topic has went a tad offtopic but meh its all good-

I presume then that Aedra are also static, as are the Daedra? I take it the Aedra's spheres cannot be changed also.

I cannot come to grips with Daedra being affected by something they did not partake in - and being forced into a permanent force(destruction, tortue etc) for ever. Surely it could just be assumed that this is what they take pleasure in and see no reason to change but if they chose to they could change to anything they want? They are gods afterall. And how could someone - Shor - who is confined to his sphere create mortals who can have freedom in everything? I think it's just the men/mer's objective look on the daedra and they come to the conclusion that they are bound to the spheres.


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While not Daedra, i did read an interesting book in the Library of the Moths in the thieves guild quest about Almalexia's Hands. One Hand took down an army? Jesus. I don't think any daedra could match one of those.

Edit: ^ I don't know if that book is actually official, or added by a mod? I couldn't find a reference anywhere.

What is it called?

I mean Her-Hand Ordinators are Exceptionaly Trained, Divinely blessed in Divinely enchanted armor made of (gasp) Divine substance (Ebony/Lorkhan's Blood).

Depending on the Army, field of battle, experience of the Hand, initiative, creativity and preparedness of the hand, I can maybe almost sort of believe it.

(Say against a peasants militia, but maybe not a professional army in full force.)

When in combat, if two oponents of equal skill, training and physical fitness, if is often weight and the knowledge of how to use your superior size that matters. The same can be said in relation to numbers.

However, is Sheogorath not also predictable in his unpredictability?

Her Hands were explicitly stated to be the most terrible mortal warriors in all of Tamriel. It's implied that in hand to hand single combat against any single opponent they'd win without much trouble - not just because of their experience and training but the fact that their bodies are literally much more durable than the average warrior, even without their enchanted armor and weapons.

Of course, any one of them could be taken down by a volley of arrows at a distance by a peasant militia. That's just life. Sometimes tactics beat out strength.

I don't get this. The Aerdra are excessivly weak, due to the creation of mundus. How does Akatosh go about cursing a Daedra? Surely Dagon could just brush off the curse?

http://imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon. Also, keep in mind that the kind Leaper Demon King is Magnus in this.