The Nerevarine isn't a god. The only Elder Scrolls hero who may be a god is the CoC.

Without Shivering Isles?

I don't remember that.

The Nerevarine isn't a god, but he's blessed and protected by one. Plus he went through the most diverse and oppressive trials, so I chose him.

Shivering Isles is canon. Something tells me the Battlespire recruit would mop the floor with the other heroes, though.

Actually, that'd be the recruit. Read the story of Battlespire on The Imperial Library, his adventure was much more perilous than the nerevarine's.

Hellmouth, if you were to make a list of the most powerful to the least powerful hero, what would it look like? I was thinking something along the lines of Battlespire recruit>Cyrus=CoC(as Sheogorath)>Nerevarine>Septim's Agent=The Eternal Champion

Well, Clavicus Vile proved straight up that a daedric prince is more powerful than a Cyrus.

Kind of. Azura is more like "Wholo-loo".


I thought the CoC and Sheogorath were technically separate, as the CoC looses their identity.

Seti18, I have something like that already in this thread on page 5, which is more of overall whose more powerful, like the poll was supposed to be. While their achievements means something, this poll is more for how well they endured physically, mentally, emotionally, and how smart they really were.

As such, I'd wager something more like
Battlespire Recruit > Cyrus = Eternal Champion > Septim's Agent > Nerevarine = Champion of Cyrodiil

The reason the CoC are nerevarine get low marks is because they pretty much only have power, though the CoC gets ahead because he did fight Jyggy and became Sheogorath, which is more power than the nerevarine. All other factors though, I'd say they are inferior. However, when it comes to mental stability, it is pretty slated against the Champion of Cyrodiil, as I truly believe he was crazy from the start and he did become Sheogorath. Emotionally, the two did have to endure nightmarish events, one being the 6th house, the other a whole invasion, both being the only ones to save the world.

However, as what all the other heroes have shown, they overall get higher marks on everything else than the Nerevarine and Champion of Cyrodiil.

Lol i like that, i guess that if the coc had done everything in oblivion, (Factions side quests the isles), then he/she would have to have been very crazy

How did you consider the 6th house?

Minus the "actual brains" part the Nerevarine largely depends on play through style. Physically he is ageless and immune, most likely a bit beefy. The other two, emotional stability and mental ability, are not directly relatable even through DF, MW and OB.

And part of my choice is the cool factor, to be clear.

If the CoC did KoTN than he is DEFINATLEY a Shezzarine. And he is also DEFINATLEY Sheogorath if he did SI.

The other hero to be a god is Cyrus, who was Hunding. Hunding is speculated to mean Shezzarine but we aren't sure: all we know is that, for as long as you are Hunding, it is impossible for you to lose a fight.

How I considered the 6th house? Well, they're quite nightmarish :shrug: . Wouldn't you freak if you saw them and their disease?

As for me, I figured mental stability and emotional stability for the trials they had to endure.

Yeah, I guess I was just a bit surprised the Nerevarine took up the tail end of the spectrum. Despite being a pawn the guy (genderless usage of "guy") was still more than capable in those different aspects. Maybe not numero uno, but things considered I would have to put the Nerevarine higher.

Well, the nerevarine didn't have to fight a whole realm of Oblivion and end up going toe to toe with Mehrunes Dagon (Hircine's avatar doesn't count, because it's a heavily weakned avatar, MD was in the flesh). The nerevarine didn't spend 10 years traveling all over Tamriel to the most dangerous dungeons in Tamriel. The nerevarine didn't play the politics as well as Septim's Agent, and at points was too much of a drone. And, lastly, the nerevarine wasn't able to bring the most powerful emperor to redo a pretty bad treaty and kill a dragon along the way.

I'm trying to think of this in an overall sense, not a my dad can kick your dad's butt sort of deal. If that was the case, the CoC would have to win, because he is Sheogorath, and that's a bit unfair for a bunch of mortals to go after the Prince of Madness.

Fair enough.

Well, I'm not saying the nerevarine is weak, but the most powerful overall is a little hard to swallow.

Yeah, I think I get it. I just have a bit of a bro-...no not that.
Illogically biased.


Much better.

Cyrus, because he's the only protagonist who's actual name was remembered by the people of Tamriel.

Who said he was remembered? After killing the fat man and his pet elf, he left his sister in charge of the revolution and went back to being an average pirate. Outside of Stros M'Kai, who would know him? Sure there was a book he was mentioned in, but I think you're over-estimating the number of people in Tamriel who can read.

I would have to say that in-universe disregard gameplay unlike some people here (dodging Mehrunes Dagon's fireballs in Battlespire is ridiculous and unlikely, the guy wouldn't need to throw fireballs at a mortal) I would have to say the Champion of Cyrodil is the most powerful protagonist thus far.

Becoming Lord Sheogorath, the Sithis shaped hole in the world, far outsrips being the reincarnation of a great Dunmer general or using a fundamental protonymic to banish Dagon (Battlespire hero). In-universe there's no way a battlemage wielding zero supernatural weapons of note can defeat a Daedric Prince. He used a 1st level/structure protonymic - a word to banish Dagon, not any inate Gary stu magic power. Another thing Daedric Princes can't be killed, they're true immortals, so the Battlespire guy merely banished Dagon the way all mages do before the Daedra's protonymic is altered beyond mortal discovery.


I also don't see why people are giving the Eternal Champ so much credit by virtue of having a lengthened campaing against Tharn, a Battlemage.

This isn't about a contest of who can beat who in a fight, that's only one aspect of this. Read the poll from what the OP said.

and then there's what the actual poll says:


As you can see, this is NOT a who can beat who in a fight deal. This is how strong/weak each individual hero is, based on their personal attributes of being resourceful, smart, martial ability, mentally and emotionally enduring, etc, not someone's power level being over 9000. To get an idea what the OP is trying to say, go read his initial post, and then you should rethink who the strongest hero overall is.

Also a final thing that has to be considered with games before Morrowind is how undeveloped the Lore was. In current Lore a lot of the things people are attributing to some of their favorites probably don't apply. Like a mortal even stepping up to a Dadric Prince. By the time the Champion faces Jygalag, he has already received some of the Daedric power/essence of Sheogorath in one form or another (the staff and likely the font of madness).

Also consider how much more powerful and overwhelming Dagon is in Oblivion. We know that having been banished before he is wiser and is likely bringing more to the battle. Also after having his protnymic used to banish him before like in Battlespire, he has been altered, which is what happens to Daedric princes after banishment.

Camoran, are you reading this poll or saying things that come out of your mind? Read the OP, this is not a contest of throwing swords at each other! All your arguments are pretty much who can beat who in a fight, which is what the poll is trying to steer away from.

Alas, too many people jump in here without giving a second of thought.

I read a number of posts. I was browsing through the forum after my signup and the title of the thread attracted, and i followed most of the post preceeding mine. The OP's requirements asked for power based on a number of criteria that define power and then went on by adding that we should consider the finished article.

By some criteria CoC will likely be behind the likes of the Daggerfal character (like intelligence) but he has an immortal iron will of a daedra now, so his mental strength is greater than the other guys, also physically he would likely be the strongest having attained the immortal might of a Daedric prince. Also singehandedly stopping the Greymarch, an event fueled by a curse from many Daedric princes (if not all of them) and the cold relentless toil of Jygalag in his own realm, speaks mountains about his mental toughness. It seems like he was The hero of the 3rd Era, ending an event catastrophic enough to end an era.

Uhh, Tharn, the Emperor of Tamriel.