I agree (even though I've yet to play Battlespire). Plus, Divayth Fyr is just too cool. He wins.

I find it's more implied he was an architect of the Battlespire, or at the very least well traveled as he was an avid collector of random artifacts. For a wizard that has lived in the first age (thousands of years pre-TES:I), I highly doubt he'd be some green recruit. Really guys, if he wanted to join the battlemages, they'd instantly make him a ranking officer, as he was already way before an accomplished Psijjic.

Was there a Diviath Fyr assosiation in OB or the infernal city? I mean, after the corpus 'cure', why wouldn't he catch immortality. Oddly, I never thought the one guy decked out in daedric armor on Vvanderfall to be so badass.

The only mention relating to OB with Divayth Fyr is this:

As for in-game, none, same with the book.

just had another thought....

the daggerfall agent did manage to kick off a dragon break.....thats gotta be something right?

But he gets stepped on my the Numidium, and mostly just played the political game instead of fighting divine beings. I guess he could sack cities, but I think any of the heros so far had the capacity to do that also. So if you consider being able to decide who gets stompy bot, I guess.

Still, I'm full on with the Battlespire recruit. He played the daedra like a violin, he endured a constant onslaught of daedra and was behind enemy lines on their turf, had access to a lot of the most powerful equipment, found MD's weakness, didn't have time to curl up in a nice bed, could potentially be the biggest wise-ass this side of Oblivion, and defeated MD 1v1 (unlike Alamenxia). As far as I am concerned, he was at the very least top 2 or 3 of all categories of physical, mental, emotional, and equipment strength. It takes a lot of guts to be a green battlemage to survive an entire invasion in the planes of Oblivion, with very few friends, tons of enemies waiting to shred and devour him, and also outwit each and every one of them without breaking down or dying.

The Eternal champion did have to run around all of Tamriel and visit their most dangerous dungeons, and it took him 10 years. That's 10 years of not falling into despair that you could be too late or too weak, so he/she has a high amount of mental and emotional strength there.

The nerevarine, while physically and magically powerful, was played like a violin. However, in his/her factions and a bunch of quests, he/she could make decisions to benefit himself, benefit someone else, both, and what have you. However, the whole Tribunal and Main Quest was nothing but him being a complete puppet to Helseth, Azura, and the Emperor, often having to opt out of freethinking. Emotionally, the nerevarine had to endure some nightmares and the nightmarish 6th house.

The Champion of Cyrodiil was nothing more than a glorified squire, and being the most brainless hero of them all. If he was told something to do, he did it. If there was a quest to jump off a cliff, he'd do it. Freethinking on his/her part was the most limited out of all the heroes. Emotionally and mentally speaking, surviving Oblivion was his biggest worry, which isn't that bad. However, I'd gander to say the CoC is a very unstable, if not a crazy person, which is coincidentally required to be Sheogorath! This guy was a do-gooder, a heartless murderer, the Grey Fox, servant of the daedra and nine. In fact, I really do believe the CoC is insane! Even before SI!

I LIKE the Nevarine the best, but the Eternal Champion was awesome. He did everything, and even waded through old english language that knee-deep. I personally believe that, having been promoted to "Eternal Champion" Could easily have meant that he was The Grand Spymaster of the Cyrodill section of the blade. Note that Jauffre is (Grandmaster) nt "Grand SPYmaster" as all other Lore refers to the highest title. So perhaps, high in the sky on a dragon-monut, the Eternal Champion was fighting Dagon Himself until Akatosh relieved him.

Edit: and the Battlespire recruit DID defeat Dagon, but the Daedra that helped him (Hircine with the Savior's hide and Spear of Bitter Mercy from Sheogorath, even if you don't know it at the time) most likely took it over themselves afterwords. I come to that conclusion because it is never talked of again in any other games.

Actually, the weapon used to defeat Dagon was infused with Dagon's essence. Also, you weren't gifted with those at all, you had to kill other daedra for those items they were using already to invade. It just so happened the powerful guys you killed happen to have them for the intent purpose of killing every enemy for Dagon.

And if you want to get into that line of thinking, all the other heroes were then helped like no other, since they received a lot more daedric artifacts than the recruit. Heck, the TES I, II, III, and IV guys were practically swimming in daedric artifacts 'gifted' by the princes.

But the blight wasn't so bad back then, and Dagoth Ur's servants only started to make their move about a year after the events of Arena.
Hell, they didn't even need a ghostgate back then, and the Tribunal still had all the tools of Kagrenac.

...And yet, it was still the second hardest dungeon you had to go to, IIRC. 0_0

I guess you can only really measure the protagonists on tasks and equipment really, so my vote goes to the academy initiate of Battlespire.
You don't get much more BA than that him (at least it was a him for me). I really do think that with his artifacts and skills, he could take out a Nerevarine, or CoC.

Btw, though those two are immortal from age, they can still be permanently killed with a good blow to the head according to what we see in game, and get no visible power boost, other than some shoddy artifacts.
That's no advantage over the others powerwise imo, it's not a huge argument for them here, unless they're going to hide in a corner and play the waiting game (good tactic actually... :ph34r: ).

@The poll question: At this time and day? The daggerfall hero is dead AFAIK, so he's out of it immediately, for all I know the eternal champion could be old and decrepit now, Cyrus is dead, and I have no idea concerning the academy initiate.

Perhaps a better question is 'at the height of their power'?

The Nerevarine (supposedly) left for Akavir, and the COC is either insane or insanity itself, so I guess you could say their both out as well..

Septims agent, he could climb walls, fly and start with a neat dagger.

This is true. He could also make his horse fly with Levitation.

Look at my avatar, see the greatest hero TES history

Lol, you could add that he was able to journey through the Aetherius with the need of only a slope. Every time I fall into the void I imagine some cheesy soundtrack that would perfectly fit the mood.

I haven't played neither Daggerfall nor Arena but the Nerevarine feels more powerful than the Champion of Cyrodil (who is a great warriormagethief in his/her own right)

Psh, the BS guy is still superior.

The Battlespire and Daggerfall heroes have another edge over the other player characters - one ability that the others didn't have. They weren't subject to the horrors of permanently glued-on underpants! Despite this, I suppose the Nerevarine and Champion of Cyrodiil should still get some credit, for at least being able to strip down to their leopardskin speedos/loincloths, respectively. That's more than the Eternal Champion and Cyrus can say for their unremovable, unchangeable clothing. Oh Lord. Why did they wear loincloths in Oblivion. Left over from the days when Cyrodiil was a jungle? :glare:

Nerevarine. He's immortal, and wields powerful Dwemer Artifacts.

I throw my lot in with Septim's Agent.

I am just going to throw it out there, that BS is not the best acronym for some amazing hero.
And on that same line BM is not the best acronym for some ritualistic Nordic occurrence.

Edit: Still holding out with the Nerevarine

Actually I have started before with two ebony daggers. I was pleased. Dual wielding.

http://xc3.xanga.com/46bf2646c7230250651027/w198952630.jpg

Or even ride his horse indoors!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4830/cooldaggerfallhortiksi.jpg

The Nerevarine because he killed 3 gods and killed Barilzar. In my opinion, he also found all the artifacts in the Nerevarine time and gave it to the Museum of Artifacts for a big load of money.

If the mods don't mind, I'm going to bump this - I think it's a pretty interesting debate. *leaps beneath desk*

Go Champion of Cyrodiil(Sheogorath).

Go real god killer, the Battlespire Recruit! Went 1v1 with MD, and kicked his ass! And in a pocket realm no less! Hell, Alamenxia almost lost to MD in her prime and while MD was in Mundus. If she wasn't a god, she would have died right there and then.