Most Powerful TES Protagonist

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:30 am

This is no doubt an incredibly silly, one-dimensional popularity poll in which everybody will just vote for the protagonist of their favorite Elder Scrolls game. For those of you who possess intellectual curiosity and depth of mind: if you decide to weigh the strengths/weaknesses of each character and consider their enemies, allies, and grandeur of their adventures before voting, you get a cookie. For everyone else, well, I suppose opinions count for something. An anolysis of each character from my perspective:;

Arena (Eternal Champion): Must've been pretty badass. In a journey that apparently spanned roughly ten years (maybe seven or eight, but Ria's dialog in the game implies she contacts you shortly after Tharn usurped the throne), this lone character travelled the whole of Tamriel delving into some of the darkest and most dangerous places, with little more than the advice of a dead woman to guide them. I'd say, if they still live, they must be one of the most powerful mortals to walk Tamriel at this moment.

Daggerfall (Septim's Agent): A very resourceful and cunning person, considering they were able to wade through the political turmoil of the Iliac Bay and not get assassinated in the process. Whilst the dungeons in Daggerfall were really something, the Main Quest ones are probably the only ones worth considering canonical, and they weren't particularly challenging since they actually had logic in their design. Septim's Agent may or may not be a physically powerful character (depends on how you play the game), but I'd say they had quite a bit of wit and intelligence, being able to survive in such a large world where everybody is a nobody and factional alliances are everywhere.

Morrowind (Nerevarine): Whereas the Eternal Champion seems to be physically powerful and Septim's Agent intellectually so, the Nerevarine is probably the most well-rounded. Starting with nothing, they seized the day and gradually climbed their way through the Vvardenfell hierarchy of trust and became an incredibly powerful individual. The catch? Lots of divine intervention on the Nerevarine's side - Azura, Talos, and possibly even Vivec's CHIMDUDE influence. Now that the prophecy is fulfilled, sure, the Nerevarine may still retain much of their power from their adventures on Vvardenfell, but just how capable are they now, alone?

Oblivion (Champion of Cyrodiil): This is a tricky one as you served more the role of an attendant and sidekick in this game, which is a refreshing change of pace from constantly being part of some "epic" plot line, but at the same time, there really wasn't any emotional burden nor real development of character in this game. It was more of a linear adventure of action, accomplishment, and great deeds, less about politics and self improvement. To end on a high note, singlehandedly demolishing the planes of Oblivion has to count for something.

So, who do you think is the greatest? I have to vote for the Eternal Champion, because whilst all the protagonists in The Elder Scrolls are pretty powerful (s)he is probably the one who accomplished the most without divine intervention. A very persistent and strong-willed adventurer who had nothing to rely on but Ria's advice and their own motivation.
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sam smith
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:32 pm

The Nerevarine does not age and is immune to all diseases and I'm sure being Hortator would have some advantages if
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the Great Houses and the rest of Morrowind weren't ruined at this point.
. However as the Nerevarine there would also be many who would oppose him for what he is.

In the end the Champion of Cyrodiil doesn't have any special powers/abilities. Yes, he sort of
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becomes a daedric prince
, but that's complicated and doesn't really influence his power or survival chances. He's more of a side-kick in the main story than the real hero. But unlike the Nerevarine nobody really hates him.
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john palmer
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:11 am

The Nerevarine (mine at least) killed 4 gods... No one else can top that.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:58 pm

Nerevarine. No one is more bad ass.
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Lynette Wilson
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:47 am

Kinda' hard to argue with Gary Nerevarine Stu in a question of sheer power and fan worship. Frankly, dude's boring as all get, though - gimmie a badass normal like Daggerfall or Oblivion's dudes any day of the week.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:54 pm

I went with Nerevarine too, maybe simply because I found MW to be the most challenging of all the TES games I've played, ha!

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But all in all, he fulfills a prophecy that may or may not even be real, which I LOVED story-wise. You are fooling ancient doctrine, at least that's at first what you think, and it calls into question the divine chicken-egg scenario with prophecy and fulfillment which was just awesome. Then when you actually fulfill said prophecy you have to ask yourself whether you actually are the Nerevarine or you have become so simply by convincing everyone you are, and that belief alone makes you into it...very quantum physics...


One would need quite the mental fortitude and agility to even handle the pressures, concept and possibly guilt underlying all of that so Captain N (as he/she shall forever be known) gets my vote :D

As for Cyrodiil's Champion, he definitely felt like more of an errand-boy than a great hero, he was a follower for the most part, rather than a leader, and that in itself was a big mistake narrative-wise. For me that's what made Dragon Age so strong narratively (even though I loathed the gameplay) is that for some reason all these people wanted/needed to follow you and that made you feel like you had to prove yourself worthy somehow... However you can't discount that he/she pretty much single-handedly stepped into this nightmarish landscape most equivalent to our modern-day hell and beat the living crap out of a bunch of demonic creatures. It didn't take much mental fortitude or cunning, which is what, for me, usually makes a hero great, but it certainly took a lot of courage to tread where others wouldn't dare (except all the Black Marsh Argonians but then they were being commanded by the Hist and were basically mindless fearless zombies rushing through the gates.

I always saw DF's Agent as a darker figure, not so much a grand hero, but a ruthless badass with a serious agenda. Doesn't strike me as heroic, but definitely legendary in what he was able to pull off...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:29 pm

My vote goes to the Eternal Champion.

I've never played Arena or Daggerfall, but this guy travelled the whole of Tamriel. That has to be hard. In ten years, no less.

My vote would have gone to the Nerevarine, but, since half of the story was about saving the dumner, and restoring thier traditions and what-not, the fact that
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Vvardenfell was destoryed utterly
, kinda gets rid of half of his glory, all he done was save Tamriel... Tamriel could have stood more of a chance without the Nerevarine than without the Eternal Champion.

The champion of Cyrodiil was nothing, he was just a delivery boy :shrug:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 pm

Voted for the nerevarine.

But did he really have some divine intervention? He definitely had divine advice, but azua, vivec, and talos did not do anything for him, or give him superpowers. If anything it was Dyvaith Fyr(sp?) [edit: and Ur's corpus disease] that made him what he is. And while the agent is nice and wiley, in the end thats what an agent does. I did not play DF, tried and failed, but if there was an ending that allowed the protagonist to command the Nividium(?) then I might change my answer.

Edit: heh, purified by your enemies blows, classic
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:07 am

There was.

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And Nividium splattered your dumb ass because you weren't of royal blood or of absolute authority or whatever, which is a pre-req of commanding it.


EDIT: AHA! You play the X games, don't you?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

X-games? I might be missing something. No, though, nothing that puts a moving board or object between me and the ground. :bonk: clumsy like that.

Edit: And in light of that spoiler my view the same, and more solid.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:50 am

Probably Daggerfalls champion, in terms of wits and strength

Also brilliant poll, way to completely bash the Oblivion leveling system to make sure nobody votes for it. Maybe if you'd been responsible and let people see it as the events that actually happened rather than how they were enacted in gameplay, it would've been a more viable choice
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:43 am

Nerevarine :celebration:

Canonically, killed 2 gods, defeated 1 more in combat and possesses a possible total of 44 tamrielic artifacts.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:45 pm

I went with the hero of the battlespire. He had to be one great person he was stuck behind enemy lines against the forces of dagon and had to fight his way through several oblivion realms while turning the deadra on each other and gaining allys. He then had to perticipate in the hunt that had never been won by a mortal before and he won. Afther that he went up against Dagon himself and defeated him throwing him back into oblivion. and get this he did all of this without being able to rest not once. Far more then the other hero's could say.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:15 am

Get this he did all of this without being able to rest not once. Far more then the other hero's could say.

:rofl: Sleeping = Easy way out!

I voted for Daggerfall's Hero. I joined the Thieves Guild so it kinda felt like just solving a murder but with zombies and skeletons.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:46 am

X-games? I might be missing something. No, though, nothing that puts a moving board or object between me and the ground. :bonk: clumsy like that.

No, not those X games, I mean the X space sim games by Egosoft.

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"Nividium" is some wonder element found in X3 and X3: Terran Conflict, and as such I figured you made a Freudian Slip of some sort.


Also brilliant poll, way to completely bash the Oblivion leveling system to make sure nobody votes for it. Maybe if you'd been responsible and let people see it as the events that actually happened rather than how they were enacted in gameplay, it would've been a more viable choice

I was thinking about snarking a bit about it, but it doesn't change the fact that Wankarine is still going to win by leaps and bounds no matter what.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:09 am

Cyrus. He is/was/will be the HoonDing. Also, he killed a dragon, BY HIS FREAKING SELF!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:21 am

Cyrus. He is/was/will be the HoonDing. Also, he killed a dragon, BY HIS FREAKING SELF!

Don't forget about his nuke sword.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:48 pm

Don't forget about his nuke sword.

You mean there are people who don't know about this? For shame
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:22 am

The Champion of cyrodil became a god king, it don't get more badass than that
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:43 pm

No, not those X games, I mean the X space sim games by Egosoft.

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"Nividium" is some wonder element found in X3 and X3: Terran Conflict, and as such I figured you made a Freudian Slip of some sort.


Heh, I thought something was off in my post.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:40 am

The Hero of the Battlespire was was decked out in the magical equivalent of a planetary shield and the death stars super lasers. He killed Mehrunes Dagon.

Can't top that really.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:56 pm

The Champion of cyrodil became a god king, it don't get more badass than that

How so? I didn't recieve any special reward (not counting ID armor, it was horrible) and I didnt get any special privileges
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:42 am

How so? I didn't recieve any special reward (not counting ID armor, it was horrible) and I didnt get any special privileges


He means the Shivering Isles.

That doesn't have to be the CoC though since you don't have to finish the MQ to to do the MQ of the SI, so it's just the Champion of the Isles.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:51 am

Cyrus. He is/was/will be the HoonDing. Also, he killed a dragon, BY HIS FREAKING SELF!
I'm not convinced we should give him points for killing a suicidal creature. The dragon could have won the fight by doing anything differently. He could have laid down on top of Cyrus and finished him.

Don't forget about his nuke sword.
The one he lied about having?

The Hero of the Battlespire was was decked out in the magical equivalent of a planetary shield and the death stars super lasers. He killed Mehrunes Dagon.

Can't top that really.
Everyone kills Dagon these days, it's just par for the course. Including him in Oblivion just seemed lazy.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:17 pm

Dang does the Knight of the Nine count as canon? If so the Champion Of Cyrodil is good but not as good from the others . Since I have only played morrowind and Oblivion I can't tell.
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