What is the most powerful conventional weapon (sword, claymore etc.) in elder scroll history besides the ones you can enchant yourselves. I ask because my first elder scroll game was oblivion and I am trying to bone up on some lore to pass the time to skyrim. Don't forget to include the type of weapon and if you can, include where you get the weapon.

The HoonDing.

From the elder scroll pages:

HoonDing, the Yokudan Make Way God

Yokudan spirit of 'perseverance over infidels'. The HoonDing has historically materialized whenever the Redguards need to 'make way' for their people. In Tamrielic history this has only happened three times -- twice in the first era during the Ra Gada invasion, once during the Tiber War. In this last incarnation, the HoonDing was said to have been either a sword or a crown, or both.

Nobody else?

The HoonDing is not the weapon, it's a state of being, like being the Shezarrine. The most powerful weapon, also a redguard thing, is actually called hira-dirg, and when used with the Pankratosword technique, it can cut the uncuttable.


Even Vivec is scared of that technique.

Erm so the Redguards detroyed their original home by splitting the atom with their swords?

1st, this forum moves slower than the others. Wait at least 24 hours for people to wander through.
2nd, we do a lot of theoretical stuff here, and don't necessarily spend nearly as much time arguing "Is X cooler than Y from Game Z or was it better in Game W?" so be prepared for Pankratoswords, CHIM, Pelinal, Wabbajack, Muatra, Numidium/Akulakhan, Towers, and the Staff of Chaos.

3rd, for the forum, did I miss any of your potential suggestions?

Maybe. It could've also been the Elves destroying Orichalc Tower.

No you didn't miss any of my suggestions, I'm just trying to I guess fill in some blanks see I never played anything before morrowind. Was it cool wielding the true flame and what was that other blade? Personally I hope they do duel wielding in skyrim.

price whatever's soul-sword maybe.

Stendarr's Hammer was pretty powerful. Unfortunately, its immense weight makes it impractical for mortal use.

Numidian

The Horn of Summoning is worth a mention. Whatever it is it makes the Staff of Chaos look like a kid's toy.

CHIM


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[edit] I take it back. Muatra is the source of CHIM, and hence more powerful. All hail the god-spear!

Ok, where can I find info on numidian and the horn of summoning?

Ok, so muatra was a simple dwarf from a book how could he be the source of the amulet of kings.

Muatra can take the form of multiple things. As a weapon, it's usually in the form of a spear.

There's also a widely popular theory around here that it's in fact a magic [censored], but I prefer to think of it as a symbolic, rather than literal, similarity.

Are we talking about physical, handheld weapons? Because "weapon" is a broad term, it could refer to magic, theoretical forms, etc.

The Sermons make it plenty clear that Muatra is Vivec's dong. Its also his spear, his walking dwarf, a Tower*, and THE Tower**.

CHIM is a state of being above godhood. The word "chim" means royalty/starlight/splendor, so the Chim-el Adabal (Amulet of Kings) translates to something like royal-glorious-high-god-stone. It has nothing to do with CHIM the ascended state.

*kidding about this one.
**but not this one.

There's not much info at all on the Horn, the only text to mention it is http://www.imperial-library.info/content/daggerfall-real-barenziah but it implies it is quite powerful:

Before his death King Edward gave the horn for safekeeping into the hand of his old friend King Moraelyn, who secreted it here in Mournhold, under the guardianship of the god Ephen, whose birthplace this is...

[Jagar Tharn] knew the Staff [of Chaos] lay there, not the Horn, and that he must teleport to safety, for the Staff is not a weapon that would have seen him clear, unlike the horn. Praise the gods he hath not that! It seems all was as he expected, yet how did he know? I placed it there myself, with the aid of the rag-tail end of the R'Aathim clan who now sits king in Ebonheart as a reward. Tiber Septim claimed the Horn, but left the Staff for safe-keeping. Nightingale can use the Staff to sow seeds of strife and dissension, if he wishes, yet that alone will not gain him power. That lies with the Horn and the ability to use it."http://www.imperial-library.info/content/daggerfall-real-barenziah

There are three relevant points in this excerpt.

-The first is that it says the Horn is a weapon that "would have seen him clear," unlike the Staff. This could be taken to meant that the Horn could teleport him away somehow, however he can teleport of his own accord anyway, so this explanation is unlikely. Couple this with the fact that it implies it is a weapon, and we can assume that somehow the Horn can be used offensively - either directly or by, as the name implies, summoning 'something' to do it for him.
-The second thing to note is the exclamation made by Symmachus, "Praise the gods he hath not that!" We know from the events of Arena that the Staff of Chaos is a pretty handy little trinket, and while they're distraught that he got the staff, they're much more relieved that he didn't have the chance to get the horn. Again implying that the horn is much more powerful.
-The third note is the last line, which points out that the ability to gain power "lies with the Horn and the ability to use it."
-A fourth minor note is that the text has Tiber Septim claiming the Horn for himself, which might imply that it had some significant influence over Septim's rise to power.

That's really all the info there is on it, and its present location is unknown.

The Sermons also say that Vivec didn't become a god by using Kagrenac's Tools, and that he didn't kill Nerevar. If you don't take into account the secret message.

A sack full of Moon Sugar?

I would have to say that a sack full of Moon Sugar would be the most powerful weapon. Hell, anybody who isn't at least 1% cat gets deathly sick from less than a cup of it.

Also-- Damn Vivec and his magic wang.

You're about 6 years late to the "the Sermons aren't cannon" party. I don't feel like going into it right now (two words: Dragon Break), but you can find evidence of Muatra's fleshy prowess outside the 36 Lessons. The Trial itself is a prime example. If someone shoves a pointy piece of metal in your mouth, you get cut up and start bleeding. If someone shoves a divine dong in your mouth, chocking is an appropriate response. That and the Sermons are the only place Muatra is named.

The fact that the truth of the matter was never lost suggests that it was rather a deliberate spread of misinformation regarding what happened in the past rather than actually changing what happened.

As for Muatra, Vivec said "guess what it represents" not "guess what it is".

Even then I never said it necessarily was symbolic, just that I subscribe to the theory that it is. At the same time, for these kinds of things, I believe all we can do it point to theories.

Actually, it [censored] says all those things, so yeah./

My God dode, do you have adhd, or something? are you so [censored] lieteral minded?


A dwemer puzzle box. That's the most dangerous weapoins.

Seems to me like spears are the only things that aren't being taken literally.



It certainly held me up for a long time the first time I played.