Todd and Pete said it. Simple as that.

Todd and Pete never said it only sold 500,000 copies on PC, because it's NOT TRUE. Simple as that.

Just because Oblivion sold more doesn't mean that their are more "fans" on consoles.


(And to anyone console gamer who thinks consoles are better then PCs, they are not. Consoles are just mini weak PCs from 2005. They have no advantages over PCs and are not cheaper in the long run. This is fact. Not trying to start a flame war, its just fact get over it.)

I wasn't referring to the 500,000 copies. Pete tweeted today that their audience being 90% on the console is "probably not far off". Good enough for me.

Let us not get into a console vs PC war.

I will pose this question again:

Why does it matter?

As i said in the first thread, 10% is ridiculously low. And I suspect it's closer to 20-25%.

If I recall right, the original comment referred "fans" of the series, so the idea 10% was referencing the entire gaming pool of players regardless of platform is not possible.

They only thing possible is "10%" is correct, and I bet a million dollars it is not, or it was a simple exaggeration/expression meant to rely "most people who will be playing will be on consoles".

You need to specify what your talking about. I never doubted that console gamers are "90% of their target audience", what I said was that it can't be taken as proof that OB did poorly on PC, which is what the OP is claiming. The statement has nothing to do with how popular TES is on PC.

It doesn't. Seems like some feathers have been ruffled last few days among the pc crowd between this news and the Creation Kit possibly coming to consoles.

I sincerely wish you would stop hiding behind the fact that you play on console as if it some way to legitimize flinging insults at another platform.

If you want to address someones insecurities or needless pride, address *them* not everyone playing on PC as if we are all guilty. You continuously perpetuate the flame war you were so adamantly against in the previous thread.

Ironically this kind of shows insecurity but I digress.

Todd has his information wrong, probably doesn't care either because he is a self proclaimed xbox360 "really devoted fan" and proud of it.

They have to be missing Steam or Todd is counting every single Xbox360 player, not just the ones who buy Elder Scroll games. There is NO WAY IN OBLIVION that PC sales only make up 10% for Elder Scrolls titles. I would bet my left leg on it, we make up at the very minimum 25-35%.

whether its true or not.. there are some games that never should make their way to a kiddie game platform(console)...


there is no way that morrowwind or oblivion sold that ammount of coppies.



with the way prices are going what are you going to do when the xbox virtual 3d will cost as much as a computer running Linux windows(microsoft sells windows out)

I don't care if PC gaming is in the minority as long as it's a better minority. For the most part, PC games are better than console games. I just wish more of them had gamepad support. Very few of my games on Steam actually do, even recent ones from big name publishers that also put the same games out on consoles.

But 15 million WoW players is proof enough that there are a lot of PC gamers. Consider that alongside how many PC gamers don't play WoW.

I'm sure there's a way to mod in gamepad support.

Kiddie game platform?

Does it really matter what other people are playing their game on?

It doesn't really matter what their playing on, but this OP is suggesting a lie born form ignorance, and ignorance is one of the things that gets me worked up.

To be fair, I haven't looked much into it, but it's annoying to have to run a program alongside a game just to get the controls to work, which would probably require a lot of control mapping to get the functions to work the same between games.

But there is only one game I've played that was actually so bad on PC that I needed an Xbox 360 controller, which was Just Cause 2, but fortunately that is one of the few titles that came with the support.

I am hoping that Skyrim supports it, but there's not really a trend to base assumptions off of. Fallout 3 had it, but that was a GFWL title and it was forced to have it. Fallout New Vegas had it, which was a Steam title, but it was made by a different studio and was using the same Fallout 3 assets. They may have just copied that feature because it was there. Will BGS use it for Skyrim? Who knows. I might prefer a keyboard and mouse anyways if a gamepad isn't an improvement, but the choice is good.

It actually means quite a bit if the developers think such. Like using the same console UI and whatnot and using the "logic" that: "Oh, well, it's only 10% of the players that will have sub-par UI's -- better we make the other 90% perfect".

"90% of audience" means pc only sold 500k copies.


That is simply impossible.

Why are all the PC players so adamant that both Todd and Pete are wrong?? I play solely on PC, but I'm smart enough to know that if the head of marketing and the lead producer of a game quote you figures relating to the games they make, what possible reason would they have to lie?? Why do people doubt them?? Console vs PC doesn't even come into it. We might as well all start doubting every bit of information that's been released about Skyrim :shurg:

Personally I find keyboard and mouse way easier to use then a controller, and I've gotten good at controllers lately too so I have something to compare. RPG's are better suited for keyboards I think, because they tend to have way more buttons that need to be pressed then your average FPS. I don't understand how people can be bad at aiming with a mouse (not saying you are), it's point and click. If you can surf the web you can blow peoples heads off in games, not much different. I guess some people just like the feel of controllers better.

Could have meant Oblivion/Fallout 3/New Vegas.

They aren't lying, their being misquoted. The quote form Todd and Pete in this thread wasn't even talking about sales. OB had more then 10% of it's total sales on PC, and it sold more then 500,000 on PC, it's a fact.

Edit: The 5.5 million sales on consoles isn't right either, not sure where the OP is getting his numbers. OB is one of the best selling games of all time. 5.5 mill is good, but that's not best of all time material.

I believe you nailed it :nod: