I have completed FO3 once before (along w/ all DLC) and it was also the first time I had ever played a Fallout game so just by pure lack of knowledge, I killed anything and everything in my path. Also when it came to completing the DLC, I rushed through them without taking sufficient time to scavenge useful collectibles.

I was a total NOOB!.......BUT NO LONGER!

But, anyway when I was in Mothership Zeta I was supposed to recover all Captive Audio Logs which I did not do the first time around. Later (about 6 months) I realized that I wanted to redeem my first disappointing outcome of the previous game I had ended up with. So I replayed the entire game (still currently playing) and all DLC. Once Mothership Zeta (round 2) was completed I had captured all Audio logs.

But what I want to know is....

Has anyone listened to all of the Logs?

And if so, what was your reaction to some of them?

This should be entertaining.

First one to comment on how it is non-canon cause of the launch codes log wins an owl!

All right I am going to win!

I have played them all and Mothership Zeta shouldn't be considered canon at all. Mothership Zeta impies aliens started the Great War. Also aliens were nothing but easter eggs in past Fallout games and were never canon. Bethesda took a joke and turned it into a piece of crap DLC that breaks canon.

Since you are done with Fallout 3 OP, have you given any thought into playing Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics and New Vegas?

It can be counter-pointed that the Launch-Code log is ONLY one to suggest that the aliens were trying to start the Great War. Out of 25 holotapes, only that one peice of evidence implies that the aliens wanted those codes. The Rest?

One cow.
Some ditz.
A linguist (who scared the crap out of the Aliens before getting shocked.)
Two from the same kid (one of which they were excited in when she recognized the Giddy-up Buttercup toys)
Another Ditz.
Four from the people you meet, plus an astronaut.
A US. Senator.
The VP of Vault-Tec.
A redneck.
A guy from the 1500's.
Another Medic.
Three regarding the Abominations (including a conspiracy guy who "realized" what they wanted- creation of an alien-human hybrid for invading.)
Two people trapped in one of the cages.
One person whose arms were removed.
And... 3 more I can't fully recall, aside from the Launch Codes.

NONE of these, mind you, especially with the other Medic, Senator, and the Vault-Tec VP, have the aliens asking tactically viable things. Yes, it seems like the first one about the codes is them drilling for information, but we don't know if that's what he thought they wanted.

Consider: you know you have the nuclear launch codes, and you've been abducted by a bunch of aliens who are hostile, have you strapped to chair, and are trying to get you to talk. What is the most logical thing that you are going to think they want you to say?

Finally, nowhere else in the DLC gives any mention that the Aliens started the Great War.

I don't give a crap about the rest of the tapes, that one tape is enough to damn the whole DLC. It implies aliens started the Great War. Then there is the matter that aliens in past Fallouts were only easter eggs. Having aliens in the Fallout Universe screws everything up. "War.War never changes." Well it sure has hell changes when aliens attack and start taking over everything.

Then there is the matter that Lyons BoS now have in their control an Alien Mothership!

The DLC is just total canon breaking crap and should be banished from the Fallout Universe just like the Burned Game.

Edit: The rest of the tapes and the DLC also shows that the aliens have been interested in the Earth for thousands of years and have even been messing with alien human breeds. It also shows that there's more than one Mothership and they are at war with one another. I don't want Fallout becoming some War of the World or Resistence type franchise. For the Fallout Universe to end up in some alien civil war.

To say "well there could just be those two" is fooling and like I said the BoS now control one of them. It's just the wrong path for Fallout to go down. It really just needs to be declared none-canon and forgotten.

So, despite the heap of evidence against the tape, you're going to focus on it and call the whole DLC crap?

Remember- we have another tape specifically stating that the aliens are creating human-alien hybrids for an Earth takeover. We also see that the aliens are making these things. 9 times out of 10, they're stronger than their creators, so that also lends credence to the "shock troop" hypothesis. Furthermore, the US senator is not being pressed for any specific information, neither is the other medic, the linguist, or the Vault-Tec CEO. If the Aliens were looking for tactically viable things, they wouldn't be saving the non-valuble info- it's trash and wastes memory.

I updated my last post. There is no other evidence against the tape that is what you fail to understand. The impication that the Aliens may have had something to do with the Great War is enough to damn the whole DLC. You can't ignore that tape, it's there and it implies aliens started the Great war. Where canon clearly states humans and humans alone caused the great war for human reasons.

The Aliens plotting to take over the Earth only adds to my argument that the Aliens would want to destroy the Earth. That they are planning to take it over. That the Aliens are in some type of civil war and we are some how involved in it, is just the wrong path for Fallout to take.

Aliens haven't been in Fallout before outside of easter eggs and shouldn't be at all. The BoS now have an Alien Mothership and the Fallout Universe will end up becoming War of the Worlds or Resistance

Edit:
Mothership Zeta is a Pandora's box that needs to be closed to keep hope for the Fallout Universe inside. If it's allowed to remain open than all is lost. Nothing good can come from it, unless you consider Aliens taking over the wasteland and for the people of the wasteland to enter in some Galactic alien civil war a good thing.

Curse you Styles that was my Owl to win. Mine!


Aside from that, I completely agree with what Styles is saying in regards to Mothership Zeta. Poorly designed in general and poorly thought out with regards to Fallout's setting and canon.

It was boring, poorly designed, canon breaking and had a gigantic plot hole.

bad DLC is bad.

@Styles

How did the Brotherhood of Steel manage to get the Mothership?

The Lone Wander captured the MS, and the LW is part off the BoS

On Topic:
Did anyone read the OP? He asked what your reaction to the MZ audio logs are, NOT the entire DLC.

Anyway, I found most of the logs to be either semi-humorous in a creepy way or just downright creepy. And yes, one of the logs did indirectly suggest that aliens could of started the Great War.

Only if the good Lone Wanderer ending is canon and s/he found a way back to Earth. It's entirely possible that the Teleport Beacon can be written out as a gameplay thing for future games.

Anyway, personally I feel that they do help indicate the overall feeling that you don't know what the Aliens or up to, or even if they care much about the logs after a while. It seems to me that the early ones were carefully done, but later... "Ok, Say stuff or we'll zap you. Know what, we'll just zap you anyway."

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But how could the aliens have started the Great War when they obtained U.S. Launch codes but the Chinese launched first which we learned from the Black Mountain terminals.

Also where are you getting the idea of an Alien Civil war from?

It really doesn't matter. The implication is provided that the Aliens had something to do with the Great War. That's clearly the intent of the audio log. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "but didn't Mothership Zeta suggest that the Aliens started the Great War?"

Its ridiculous and it changes the parameters of the Great War from being a error of the folly of humanity to "http://www.csicon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Aliens-meme.jpg"

I still don't think that it was implied at all, you surely can't just transmit these codes and then have the missiles launch. Incombatible technology and basic physical failsafes would prevent that from ever happening.

Having played MZ awhile ago, I read the logs on the wiki.

Log 17 has a guy who clearly has top secret info and thinks that is what the aliens want. The recording doesn't say that he gave them the codes or imply the aliens used them. Looking at the other recordings I don't think the aliens were looking for anything particular, especially since the sampling of humans were from all over and many time periods.

If they really wanted to destroy the human race they could just use their giant lasers on their (multiple)giant spaceships. Just my opinion...

I will name him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwby8LVxUBg&feature=youtu.be

It does imply that the Aliens were trying to get the codes and therefore could have started the Great War. It doesn't say they got the codes or even used them but the Implication is enough. Also the Aliens creating alian human things is also pretty damning as they were planning to conquer the Earth. Why attack with your alien death rays and end up with the people of the Earth uniting against you, when you can get the people of the Earth to destroy one another. It makes more sense to get them to attack one another and destroy the earth themselves.

Aliens have been nothing but easter eggs in past Fallouts and shouldn't be brought into Fallout on a scale of Mothership Zeta. Do you really want Fallout to become "Fallout: War of the Worlds? or Fallout: Resistance?" Cause I sure as hell don't.

Also Lyons BoS now have access to an Alien mothership. Their is only two ways to finish Fallout 3 thanks to Broken Steel and therefore only two possible canon outcomes. The first is you help Lyons destroy the Enlcave and the second is you destroy the Enclave and the Brotherhood. I highly doubt Bethesda will make the second outcome the canon outcome. So therefore the BoS have an Alien Mothership. Even if Bethesda makes the second outcome the canon one, the Lone Wanderer still has access to an Alien Mothership.

In the end nothing good can come from Mothership Zeta being canon. It shouldn't even be considered canon because it breaks canon completely by implying Aliens had something to do with the Great War.

I'm not disputing that MZ was silly and shouldn't have been made, only that the aliens were actively looking for US ICBM launch codes.

None of the captives knew what the aliens were looking for, some just started talking about whatever when the recorder came out, some were repeatedly zapped or stuck with needles when they were resisting or just because. The captive with the launch codes assumed they wanted that info because of its importance.

Judging by the blast from the mothership laser, It wouldn't take multiple ships long to zap away human civilization, especially since they're fairly safe in space. Inciting a nuclear war would be like me (an advlt male) going well out of my way to cleverly instigate a fight between two 5 year olds when I could easily fight both head-on(not that i would hit child).

Well we agree that it was silly and shouldn't have been made.

You don't see it as implication, but myself and may others do. I am not saying you are wrong. My point is Mothership Zeta and that stupid log has sparked this debate. It raised that question. "Did aliens have anything to do with the Great War?" It also raised other questions like "what do they want with humanity?" "Will they be back?" There should be no debate, no doubt in the causes of the Great War. Yet Mothership Zeta allows for doubt and it allows for Fallout to become something completely stupid if Aliens come back.

It's more than just that log but the fact that there's alien motherships and alien human creatures. The whole DLC should be declared none-canon.

Yea the inclusion of a mini Death Star controlled by the LW(and influenced by the BoS) kind of screws with the lore and the story. It makes LW even more of a god and introduces tech that could greatly change the CW (and other wastelands) in future games. Plus the possibility of future alien threats is not somewhere I want FO to go.

Well I agree of course, but what would be the point in having that particular audio log then (thinking in terms of the DLC development)? Why specifically the nuclear launch codes and not some other random piece of "earthly" intel?

Keep in mind this is Bethesda we are talking about. I doubt they thought "well the implication won't be that the Aliens started the war because what would the Aliens do with the codes?" Knowing Bethesda, it was just a matter of "Aliens+Launch Codes= Start of the great war maybe?....WHAT A TWIST!"

The Aliens certainly did not start the Great War, however, I think its clear that this is what Bethesda tried to imply.

Damn i wanted that OWL. MZ breaks canon, saying that aliens started the war. The only part i like about MZ are the Alien Guns and thats basically it.

They are aliens, who knows that they are capable of doing. After all they are able to travel between the stars and Mothership Zeta is set in the Fallout Universe. So you can't say for sure that "physical failsafes would prevent it."

As I mentioned before that it's the fact that that log raises the questions "did they start the Great War?" and that's bad enough. Then there is "what do they want with humanity?" "Will they be back?"


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