Minor question (and spoilers)






Amaund Motierre's character model changes between when you first meet him and when you inform him of the success of the contract. Given that the player has the option to kil Motierre as per Titus Mede's wishes, was this intentional on the part of the devs? Does it suggest that Motierre still lives in the canon and has some role to play in future events?

Other questions:

- Why was Titus Mede II so calm about the assassination? It seemed to me to be more than a man resigned to his fate, but I may be overreading this.
- What was the motive for the contract?
- Why didn't Titus Mede II restore the Blades? Why rely on the Penitus Occulatus?
- Who is next in line for the throne? Did Titus have an heir?

Just game mechanics. If they had him in mind for future DLC, he would be marked essential.

- He was, from what I observed, resigned to his fate, yes.
- Political manoeuvring presumably. The man did agree, for whatever reason to agree to the Ban on Talos worship.
- Thalmor would not tolerate the Blades.
- I don't know, I can't remember if he had an heir, somebody else will have to clear that up.

The Blades only follow the Dragonborn and Blood, not any ol' person, emperor or not.. The Medes are neither born nor blood, and the current two Blades betray their oath when you stop taking their commands.

They where carrying out covert ops against the Thalmor though, so they did exist in one form or another even when there was no sign of either of those.

PS: Do you know how bad I want a http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bloody_Mess ( Bloody Mess ) perk for my Unrelenting Force Shout to decimate Esbern and delphine.

PPS: Can't name links anymore ?

I'm guessing Motierre dies one way or another. It's easiest that way, and highly likely given what he was involved in. As for the rest:

-perhaps Mede knew that he was being outmaneuvred politically, and the assasination was simply part of the process
-motive is anyone's guess, but most likely due to internal Cyrodiilic political machinations
-the Blades were loyal only to the dragonborn emperors, though this might be more of a technicality
-no idea

Oh, and welcome to the forum. I'm not sure where they keep the fishysticks, but I'm sure somone will be along.

[edit] Ninja'ed a bit on the third point.

- That wasn't Titus Mede II. It was another body double, who had long ago signed up to die in place of the emperor. [/conspiracy theory]
- Something political. It could be resentment for the White-Gold Concordat, or a dream of democracy / oligarchy. We don't know.
- The Pentius Occulatus are better.
- We don't know, but I think it's irrelevant.

God, I hope not. But now that you mention it, it wouldn't surprise me, I was genuinely shocked when I actually got to do it.

Hmm -- but isn't it possible Motierre had a body double as well? On the other hand, perhaps it's just a bug that his character model changed.

That would be so boss.

1. I believe that the whole assassination is part of a plan of Titus's. He demonizes himself, he makes himself a scapegoat for the Empire's problems. Now that he is dead, whoever takes his place can make his failings a rallying point for a revitalized Empire.
2. To kill the guy behind the horrid White-Gold Concordat. (Titus)
3. Political tension with the Dominion, one of the terms of the Concordat was the dissolving of the Blades.
4. No idea, I assume he has heirs, but I also would have to assume whatever group wants the Emperor's death would most likely have a guy in mind as his replacement.

The Blades exist as their own organization, but they don't swear allegiance to anyone who's not of dragon blood. They carried out covert ops against the Thalmor because the Thalmor are/were a threat to them, not because the Thalmor were a threat to the Empire.

Actually the blades say that they carried out operations against the Thalmor because they were a threat against all life and the Empire, the Thalmor didn't even hate the blades before they started carrying out their operations in the Dominion.

I don't buy that, because the Blades recruits heavily from the Order of Talos and the Thalmor would want Talos worship abolished. Who better to carry the message and worship of Talos to more people than a widespread spy-like organization fanatically devoted to Tiber Septim and his Qualities?

Which might be a part of the reason the blades acted or a reason for inevitable conflict between the two, still the Thalmor did not hunt blades until the blades starting acting against them...

They gave the Dominion a reason. Even if the Blades stayed withdrawn from the world, the Dominion would've attacked their institutions and agents during the War.

The Thalmor are gonna try to kill everybody they don't like. I know they wanna kill humans, but I wonder if there are beings on other continents/landmasses that they have to destroy before their plans come real.

Rightly or wrongly they attribute their mortality to Lorkhan amongst other things. While not man, khajiit are inextricably tied to the moons; lorkhan's literal body. It seems inevitable that the khajiit too will have to go eventually (Given the khajiit are blissfully unaware and bestest buddies with the Thalmor, they will probably leave them til last)

Now the Thalmor are REALLY lookin like the Third Reich. All that aryan supremacy BS and the Japanese were still their allies...

And why not? It makes strategic sense... They could easily get the Khajiit to support them, and wouldn't have to worry about them for the foreseeable future. Might even get some troops out of the deal. It was either that or waste time, money and troops occupying a province when you still have half a dozen others to fight or leaving them alone and hoping the Empire doesn't use the province to attack you on your flanks...

So you know, the smartest move they could have made.

I'd like to see the Thalmor take on the hist now that their Resist Disease is gone,

The Thalmor were shoved out of Black Marsh once the argonians got what they wanted from Morrowind.

Indeed, what I mean is though, say the Thalmor , well, win in the rest of the provinces, how do they plan on taking black marsh. Its almost as if their dastardly plan for world domination is a tad bit unrealistic.

If the Thalmor need to erase man, what if there was a hidden tribe of Kothringi in Black Marsh that where stopping them ? Thats another topic altogether.

My guess is
-Mede was old and knew his fate since as you arrive he says he was expecting you
-People probably wanted him dead because maybe Mede didn't agree with them politically so they wanted someone who would
- He didn't restore the blades because they are outlawed due to the white gold concordant and they only serve the dragonborn
-he probably had an heir or the assassination we be a much bigger deal

The Khajiit are part of the Altmeri dominion because the thalmor claimed credit for ending the void nights, weather or not it really was the thalmor is unknown, but the khajiit declared them their heroes im wondering if that opinion still exists because i really want to see a revolution by the khajiit that could be secretly funded by the empire, then Elswyer could rejoin the empire.

Though, it's not like they were ever occupying the place to begin with. It's more like the Argonians said, "OK, attacking MW was a good idea, but seriously, shut up. We're sick of you, and you can't come over to visit any more," and less like an actual war.


They'd probably go after the Hist first. Swamps and bogs are fragile ecosystems, and AFAIK the Hist can be killed like a normal tree. Swamp clearing is a technology any agricultural society must know, and being upstream of the Args is a big advantage. Of course, they're not yet upstream of the Args.