right and wrong is never lost in time. It will always be wrong to torture innocent people in an attempt to strike fear into your enemy.

It will always be wrong to use women as six slaves. The history of the world is not lost in fo. Caeser knows damn well what hd is doing is devious. He was a follower, he knows more than most about right and wrong as a matter of fact.

The power got to him. The rush of telling people what to do. He is as corrupt as they come, a mis-guided soul. Only problem is there is no election, not even a half assed one. He will never be dethroned unless he is killed.

But when the world as you know has been wiped out clean, things change. Humanity has hit the reset button.

If the fact that Caesar's Legion mostly uses women breeding purposes irks you so much, then so be it. But holding them and even the NCR to the same standards as our modern world, would be completely foolish.

If I was born in 1978, or 2248 if some told me I belonged on a cross it is a sign. If I see they have burnt innocent people alive it is a sign.

The sigh says WRONG. in 2011 or 2281 the sign still says wrong.

If I live in 2281 and women are equal to men, but some other people used them only as six slaves the sign will say wrong 2011 or 2281.

You act like the people of fo are dumb. Like they lost their grasp on what humanity is. You thing I ll look around at how Nevada works, then look at cl burning people alive and think thats ok?

I think you are blinded by something......... Just not sure what.

Exactly what I'd expect you to say. Which is why I say you're not fit to participate in these type of arguments.

I thought Ashur rocked...he may be a tyrant, but at least he led from the front, unlike Eddie.

Swag, the NCR is trying to model its self on the form of life we know.

It is what they are trying to do, this is fact. Not comparing NCR to today would be wrong, because they are trying to be today.

Christ, not even the 3 tribes in HH use women as only six slaves.

Even they have a better grasp of humanity than cl. CL is the scum of fo nv. The fallout world does not work like cl.

There was a nuclear war, but history is not lost. That is why NCR is like they are. How there are tribals at all is a mystery to me, but even they seem to know the difference between right and wrong for the most part.

CL are not the norm in fo world

"If I see they have burnt innocent people alive it is a sign."


uhh, where can I find burned, innocent people?

Right next to the camp of baby eating legion troops.




The world does not need the hollow shell of the old word that is the NCR. It needs progress, and Caesar's Legion is that progress.

You expected me to say I make a decision based on what I know of fo world, but I shouldn t be allowed to discuss it because my opinion is not the same as yours? Im not rogering here Swag.

The game starts and it shows you normal people in a destroyed world.
No women are six slaves. Women own bars, and are "like the town mom" Women drive off critters from the town. No one in Goodsprings, Primm, Mojavie Outpost are being burt alive, or used as six slaves.

Then you get to Nipton, and people are being burt alive. I am told I ll be left to live so I can spread a messege of the "lesson" they taught.

If you could forget about todays world, and just go by the begining of the game cl are devious. They are not normal, and they are wrong.
You have to force youself to see them as right just from going by the game.

If you have to ask this you don t need to know.

Pfft. Cl is very norm for a Fo world. The easiest way to get power is to target the weak and thats what the legion is all about. Cl is a nice addition to fallout. FNV would be boring as heck without it.

Without the Legion, there would be no House or Yes Man playthroughs. It would just be a game where you watch a cutscene of Col.Moore complaining about her childhood and that Oliver is the reason she is so crabby because he stole a lollipop from her.

They way they operate is not the norm. Read the last 10 posts then chime in. We are not discussing if cl should be in the game. It is also debatable if the game is or isn t boring to a large degree even with them in it.

Exactly. Its like playing Fo3 without the enclave. It wouldn′t work.

But this is not the topic of conversation Swag and I were having. It was never stated by anyone that cl should not be in the game.

You took a tiny part of a post and shifted the discussion in a whole different direction.

Its very norm. There were slavers in Fo2 too. The Cl operates just as any villain faction should do. Cl′s actions makes you angry and that is the point. You expected Cl(Candy-Land) to go around and give candy to everyone in the Mojave wasteland or something?

Villain faction? Get outta here with that nonsense.

Candy and flower faction* :mohawk:

Meh, IMO the Cl goes under the definition Villians: Crusifixion, Nipton murders, Slaves, Raiding parties etc..
For me they are the bad guys, NCR somewhere in the middle and House as my big hero.

Hero40k:What about Powder Gangers? Weren't they just slaves for the NCR? Nipton wasn't a murder, it was a cleansing. I personally prefer to try and find peaceful alternatives, but Nipton deserved it. Hell, even Ranger Ghost said it was asking to be burned to the ground(although not by Legion)

lol Profligates.

I love killing "villain forces" you are making my point for me so much now, that I have to point it out.

Even this guy that just came into the discussion thinks cl is a villain force.


Guy, people are trying to tell me cl are not a villain force, and I am trying to tell them that they are in fact evil in the fo world. "Normal" meaning how the vast majority of the people in fo live.

The vast majority of people in fo do not have slaves, and if they do they are usually marked as evil. Which cl without a doubt is.

Hah, you remind me of Vulpes now. Cleansing is a misleading word. Eden wants you to use the FEV virus on the purifier, "to cleanse the unclean" or something like that. Bullocks. Because the inhabitants of Cw have recieved a minor radition level doesn′t give you rights to kill them, and with nipton it is the same thing. Maybe nipton was full of [censored]s is not a reason to kill them. There are plenty of other ways to handle the problem. The powder gangers is prisoners, they were held there for a reason. After they broke out is everthing they achieved is turning into a raider-like faction.

A town of people that serves all comers, and has prosttutes deserves to be burt alive? That is what Vegas is on about a 100 times larger scale.

You are a pretty harsh judge. Maybe you better look at yourself real quick. You may need burt alive......

Going by cl rule I would need burt alive. Sad thing is that they need to be burt alive too, but they just don t see it.

Two sides to every coin

Agree with this. Don't think they quite care about the people, they just make it seem like they do so everyone is all "Yay! NCR!" to help make what they're doing easier. After they get what they want they might start caring, maybe.