Move Flamer/Incinerator to Explosives? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:28 pm

I don't think I need to educate you all on why the Explosives class is horridly underpowered in comparison to the other. It is the only combat skill you can't "Main". It is simply too expensive to use realistically.

Really simple: Should flamers and incinerators be moved to the 'Explosives' category. Other then maybe Mercy/GMG, this class has no weapons that don't require special conditions to be useful.

Yes or no.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:06 am

Fire does not explode. Chemical reactions and pressurized energy explode

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:37 am

Fire does not explode. Chemical reactions and pressurized energy explode

I'm just gonna quote this because i'm lazy.

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:14 pm

Fire does not explode. Chemical reactions and pressurized energy explode

lol no way i though fire exploded dun dun dunnnnn...

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:50 pm

I'm going to move flamers into science or leave them as EW's.

However incinerators are going to get moved to explosives.

Flamers feel wrong in any, but in my playthroughs the lobber that is an incinerator feels like an explosive weapon.

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:20 pm

Fire does not explode. Chemical reactions and pressurized energy explode

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdraft :evil:

I agree. Fire should be under energy.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:36 am

I don't give a crap about flamers or incinerators, but it should be whatever the developers want it to be.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:14 am

Or just leave them in EW and hope for Big Guns to return or for a Chemical Weapons skill in FO4.
One thing is for certain, neither of them explode.
Incinerator doesn't explode, it spreads.
It's a ball of fire which on impact splashes out over the area.
Not an explosion.

I'd rather have those two, a Flare Gun, a Flame Gun, a Flame Rifle and Incendiary grenades put into a new skill called Chemical Weapons.
That way we won't have to go through this debate again and they are in the area of expertise they need to be.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:46 am

EXPLOSIONS MAKE FIRE.
FLAMER MAKES FIRE.
INCINERATOR MAKES FIRE.
Energy makes fire too, but that class is the most balanced yet.

Explosives need love.

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:27 pm

Well I don't know about moving the incinerator to the explosive class, but I do wish that the Explosive skill would be tweaked a bit. I really want to make an "explosives" character and use that skill as my main.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:09 am

EXPLOSIONS MAKE FIRE.
FLAMER MAKES FIRE.
INCINERATOR MAKES FIRE.
Energy makes fire too, but that class is the most balanced yet.

Explosives need love.

Then raise their damage, they're suppose to be a double edged skill when it comes to damage.
High damage + AOE = instakill a lot of times.
High damage + AOE + close distance = reloading a lot of times.
Double edged, don't let enemies get too close and you'll do fine. :thumbsup:

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:48 am

The weapons are sorted into groups based on how they are operated.

Guns goes dakka dakka and has a recoil. Ammo is bullets.
Energy weapons goes pew pew and has no recoil. Ammo is stored energy, either in cells or tanks.
Explosives goes boom and are either thrown or launched. Ammo is grenades or bombs.

The flamer weapons are closer to a plasma caster than a grenade machinegun or minigun in how the weapon is used, thus they are energy weapons.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:16 am

One day devs are gonna get fed up about this and put a Flame Weapons skill in the game just to troll us.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:27 am

Or just leave them in EW and hope for Big Guns to return or for a Chemical Weapons skill in FO4.
One thing is for certain, neither of them explode.
Incinerator doesn't explode, it spreads.
It's a ball of fire which on impact splashes out over the area.
Not an explosion.

I'd rather have those two, a Flare Gun, a Flame Gun, a Flame Rifle and Incendiary grenades put into a new skill called Chemical Weapons.
That way we won't have to go through this debate again and they are in the area of expertise they need to be.

Yup agree

you said everything that needs to be said good job

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:16 am

The weapons are sorted into groups based on how they are operated.

Guns goes dakka dakka and has a recoil. Ammo is bullets.
Energy weapons goes pew pew and has no recoil. Ammo is stored energy, either in cells or tanks.
Explosives goes boom and are either thrown or launched. Ammo is grenades or bombs.

The flamer weapons are closer to a plasma caster than a grenade machinegun or minigun in how the weapon is used, thus they are energy weapons.

And Flamers/Incinerators go Pew-pew??? High tech super high energy laser/plasma weapons and low tech spray gun don't mix well.

Should be Explosives!

I moved them in my game and it makes it much better. EW does not need em.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:16 am

And Flamers/Incinerators go Pew-pew??? High tech super high energy laser/plasma weapons and low tech spray gun don't mix well.

Should be Explosives!

I moved them in my game and it makes it much better. EW does not need em.

Not all Energy weapons go "Pew Pew" Gauss Rifle goes "Bang!". The Plasma Rifle only goes Pew, Laser doesn't go Pew, it goes a sound undescribable.

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:40 pm

And Flamers/Incinerators go Pew-pew??? High tech super high energy laser/plasma weapons and low tech spray gun don't mix well.

Should be Explosives!

I moved them in my game and it makes it much better. EW does not need em.

They go whoosh whoosh which is nearly the same, the ammo is stored energy and they operate like a plasma caster (as in, press buttan make bacon, with no recoil).

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:42 am

They go whoosh whoosh which is nearly the same, the ammo is stored energy and they operate like a plasma caster (as in, press buttan make bacon, with no recoil).

Bacon? I thought Plasma Caster made goo? :spotted owl:

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:57 am

Bacon? I thought Plasma Caster made goo? :spotted owl:

what game have you been playing?

» Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:58 pm

what game have you been playing?

Well, I've been playing Call of Duty: Black Ops and Fallout: New Vegas, mostly, but I get what "bacon" is, its just like turning a bandit to "swiss cheese"..

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:18 am

Well, I've been playing Call of Duty: Black Ops and Fallout: New Vegas, mostly, but I get what "bacon" is, its just like turning a bandit to "swiss cheese"..

Are you saying that my cannibal has been eating cheese? :cryvaultboy:

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:11 am

Are you saying that my cannibal has been eating cheese? :cryvaultboy:

Would you eat cheese or human flesh?
I think your answer is..............

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:15 pm

Chemical weapons makes equal amounts of sense in both Explosives and Energy, since it has attributes of both. Put them in Explosives, that is the skill that needs love. Does Explosives have anything that is as useful as the YCS/186? No. Not even close.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:36 am

Fire does not explode. Chemical reactions and pressurized energy explode

So your saying that the ignition (activation energy) of flamer fuel (a chemical) that releases the stored energy of the fuel (reaction) isnt an explosion, I am going to point at the internal combustion engine and you will tap yourself on the forehead as you realize that fire is an explosion.

» Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:52 am

Chemical weapons makes equal amounts of sense in both Explosives and Energy, since it has attributes of both. Put them in Explosives, that is the skill that needs love. Does Explosives have anything that is as useful as the YCS/186? No. Not even close.

Again, raise the Explosives damage, now as useful if not more useful than YCS considering it has AOE attacks.