In oblivion, we all know there were Journeyman skills, apprentice, expert, master and what not. In Skyrim, I think it should be similiar to fallout 3. With each level you get points, points that you use to increase your marksman, blade or lockpick skill. Also, if you have a low lockpick skill, you can't try picking harder locks. And if you're more experienced in marksman you'd get a bonus to range, accuracy, speed and optionally damage. Oh, and here's one too, you know those NPCs in oblivion that you can learn some skills from? Instead of just increasing the skill, I think they should reward you (if you complete the training) with a perk (since I heard there's gonna be Fallout 3-like perks in the game), a perk that increases your range or speed (marksman), or making your blocking with a shield stronger (block), or increase your damage and what not.

No

I don't like the idea of leveling up and then being able to increase any skill (its moving away from the practice makes perfect idea) but your other ideas are good

Fixed it!

How is it "much more realistic" to suddenly improve your blade skill by 15 points after you've reached the magical "level up" threshold? The current system where your skills increase as you use them is much more realistic and immersive.

No. If you have a low skill, you should still be able to pick any type of lock you want. You just will fail at most of the harder ones. I can go to one of the locked doors doors here at work and try picking it with a paperclip. Now my lockpick skill is 0, so most likely, I won't be able to unlock the door. But I can still try. That is realism.

In other games, I would not mind, but it is too far from the way TES handles things - "learn by doing" and whatnot. I kinda like that aspect of the series.


That much, certainly. Although the lockpick thing is handled realistically enough by the idea of having lockpicks breaking repeatedly in your hands - they just have to take that thing from Oblivion and push it to the point there's no succeeding eventually (which there was) if your skill is too low and the lock too high.


I don't mind them handing you perks - "hey, you're really good, I'm going to teach a trick I know". Why not ? It's better than waking up and just knowing how to do it : mastering unusual aspects a discipline rarely occurs just by figuring it out after lots of training.

Still, trainers should train. Much more so, even : I would like something more believable than a mere I-buy-training-and-voilà-my-popup. Using dummies and targets (they'd have to improve them), completing tasks, something a bit more fleshed out.

No. Just no. :down:

I agree, instead of buying the skill, you should train for it, shooting dummies and distant targets for marksman and whatnot.

When I read "realistic skills and learning them" I hoped you were talking about the trainers actually explaining and showing you something when you buy a skill up. It's one of the things I really enjoyed in Gothic 2.

No thank you. Thankfully Beth went in the complete opposite direction and they are further embracing the "do it to level it" system that the series has become known for. No more point redistribution, what you reap is what you sow.

Meh, getting skill points when leveling up really does sound stupid, now. In oblivion (the reason why I am always talking about oblivion and not morrowind, and about fallout 3 instead of the original fallout is because I've played oblivion much more, and more recently than I have morrowind or the original fallout) You would improve skills as you use them, using sword improves blade etc, and that's not bad, but the way it was in oblivion is bad. It was too hard improving the skills at later levels, in my opinion. I don't mind it, but what I REALLY disliked about oblivion is that at the beginning you have to choose major skills which will be crucial for leveling up. If I want to level up, and at the beginning I chose, lets say, blunt weapons and I don't like them anymore, I want to use the swords, I won't be able to do it if I don't use a blunt weapon or a heavy piece of armour. XP system would be great, in my opinion. Getting rewarded XP for killing enemies (higher level enemies give more xp), reading skill books, completing quests, speech checks, succesful lockpicks etc, would be great, as far as I am concerned.

Well, you must like the whole new Skyrim system where you don't have to pick major skills at the beginning, then.

Yep!

Yep, Yep!

I'm not sure if it's really the lockpick skill that needs to be fixed, or just the minigame. I mean, if you stick to the auto-try thing it works out quit well with your skill level, but playing the minigame I can unlock a very hard lock at level 1, usually without breaking any picks. That's the part that needs to be fixed.

Same here! It was quite rare for me to break a pick!

I suppose they wanted to give a slight edge to those avoiding to take a shortcut... It's kind of a nice thought. Still, point indeed made : the lockpicks should all break no matter what if you're trying a very hard lock on level 1. Or, 99% of lockpicks should break if you want to account for chance - eh, you could ameliorate those very bad odds with the right luck-boosting effect, too. :read:

THen you'll be happy to learn that with the new systme you would be able to switch to the blade and it would still contribute to leveling your character . I don't think skills leveled up too slow though.

Besides, they have so few weapon skills you'll master a third of all weapons in existance by using a sword anyway -.-'

elder scrolls is going to stick with the leveling up skills makes you level up, not the other way around. The fallout way was stupid, you could use a rifle for 10 days getting headshots and honing your skills.... then when you level you put all your points into lazer weapons because they are going to be more powerfull soon, then when you find a lazer rifle the skill is already at 100 and you didn't "waste" points on guns. TERRIBLE way to do skill leveling in an rpg. Plus that's one of the biggest reasons why the game completely lost its replay value.

I really hope perks are only found when leveling, otherwise they will get saturated and one character can have all of them. I understand people want a character with maxed everything and all perks and weapons, but I hope you'll need a mod for that. Oblivion was diverse enough so you could have multiple characters that had something you never did on your playthrough.

From what we have seen so far there are only 50 levels to attain perks well over 100 total perks so no one character can have them all.

we already know the leveling system will not be that of Fallout, in GI there was a picture of the skills menu and it had progress bars under each of them

I like this idea actually... *Gets flamed by hardcoe Oblivion fans*

I agree very much, it seems kinda silly to raise one stat by means of another

Definitely disagree with Fallout's levelling. If I practice blade, it's logical that I'll get better at it. If I complete a series of quests using my blade... and then increase my alchemy stat? Makes no sense.

Horrible idea, oblivions would be much better than that. If they changed it I hope they kept in line with oblivion's than that "point" system.