I recently went through Morrowind again and couldn't decide whether to believe Vivec when he specifically says " We did not murder Nerevar". I still think that the Tribunal had a part to play in his death, but I was wondering what others thought on this topic.

A quick use of the search function provided by the forum would have netted you the answer you seek.


Vivec (and the Tribunal) did not murder Nerevar.

Vehk the mortal did.

The God didn't. The mortal did.

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Big help. Thanks

The Tribunal reached Heaven by violence. So did Talos, for that matter.

I voted option 1,because it was their betrayal that led to his death regardless of who killed him it was still there doing.That whole things you do effect others kinda stuff.Nerevar was probally dead at the time of their actions.

From an old post of mine:
Vivec admits that he killed Nerevar at http://til.gamingsource.net/characters/trial_vivec.shtml

"As Vehk and Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands. Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator. Vehk the God did not, and remains as written. And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment. Know that with the Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie."--Vivec

There are also messages in the http://til.gamingsource.net/mwbooks/lessons.shtml where Vivec says he did it.

"He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this."

Also note that the 36th Sermon which references the battle at Red Mountian has the message "FOUL MURDER" hidden quite plainly in it.

Further, when you speak with Vivec in-game about 'bitter recriminations' he says:

"You want to chide me... why did I murder Nerevar? why did I break my oath to Azura not to use Kagrenac's tools? why did I cause others to suffer?"

He then goes on to say in the topic that is brought up 'murder Nerevar':

"We did not murder Nerevar. The legend that we murdered Nerevar comes from a story told by a shield-companion to Nerevar, Alandro Sul, who lived among the Ashlanders. The Ashlanders have retained Alandro Sul's account as part of their oral histories. The account is persuasive in some details, implausible in others, and is in any case false. I have two accounts of Nerevar's death here in my library. Read them, and judge for yourself."

So, rather subtly, he says 'We didn't murder Nerevar, I did.' He doesn't lie to you, he just doesn't tell you the whole truth...

When Cyrus the Restless fought with Vivec over a very precious stone, Vivec said something of extreme interest;

Yea, I almost always forget to throw that quote in with all the rest...

A vote? In the Lore forums?
What are the world coming to?

It seemed to me (and im no lore expert or whatever) that vivec and the rest were reponsible.
I have no evidence to back that up what-so-ever

Other: The Tribunal vote implies that Almalexia and Sotha Sil also killed him, while Vivec did it.

There's only one person who knows for sure. But even if he tells us, his answer will make no sense.

Vivec? He does tell us, many times, and it makes sense...

I was actually referring to MK.

My statement still stands, just switch the names...

There's a difference; Vivec actually speaks normally.

Vivec claimed he was the only murderer.

But Alma and Sotha stood there and did nothing. Alma was his wife. Sotha was his (apparently not) loyal subordinate. Inaction does not absolve, especially deliberate inaction. They are, at best, accomplices.

But we don't know if they actually witnessed or knew about it.

Yes, because Ken Rolston wrote his dialogue. Which we all know was crap.

(Not that it was bad dialogue... but it was crap)

So he says. My sig gives my opinion on that.

Ooh, boy.

He was murdered, as already stated by some and by some not. It all depends on who you ask.

"History is written by the victorious."

He tore his britches climbing the mountain, and was forced to walk around the battle of red mountain bare @$$ed. He perished shortly thereafter from frosty-cheek-induced influenza.

The Tribunal temple just suppressed this since it's not a very glorified death for one of their saints.

We know that Vehk murdered the Hortator and that Vehk wrote the histories.