The most annoying parts of Oblivion in which we could all agree was murdering someone. When I was a newbie I had no idea you could kill anyone the hell you wanted. So I was alone in the road with nobody around except an imperial watchmen. I kill him, take his armor and go back to Imperial city just to find out I had a freakin 1k bounty <_< . I really hope Skyrim doesn't maintain this corrupt murdering system.

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If someone doesn't see you kill someone the game shouldn't register as if you would have been seen slitting someones throat in town square. If I attempt to murder someone at night and they survive one hit I get bounty for assault. But If I kill her and nobody see's me I get a 1000 bounty. I've heard this is to cause they cry for help or something. But telling by the volume of their voices, c'mon really?
I think it should work similar to Red Dead Redemption's murder system, if you have a witness of the murder you can kill him or bribe him (Except Guards). But if he escapes you get a bounty, which is logical.
Remember Morrowinds dispose corpse option. If I am correct. You have to kill a woman in Chorrol(Dark Brotherhood), and she was talking to some other woman, I killed her. And the woman just staring into the air as if nothing happened when she just saw the woman she was talking to dead with an arrow in her head. Of course I got no bounty because it was a quest, but still. I kept playing on that save and everytime I went to Chorrol I would see her corpse still there. And people just passing by as if the corpse were invisible. If a citizen or guard see's a citizens corpse they should dispose of it or something...

...WHAT!?

Murdering whoever you want is one of the staples of the Elder Scrolls series. It absolutely will be in Skyrim and it will be in every game after that. It's a roleplaying game. You can't expect to go around murdering whoever you want in cities without consequences.

I'm not sure if he's complaining about the freedom to murder, or the consequences of that freedom.

Have you considered actually reading my post? I said ALONE in the forest.

What he's saying is that you get the bounty even though nobody saw you kill the man. It's something that I hope will be changed.

If I murder someone in his house and he doesn't have the time to scream for help, nobody should have noticed something.

I agree, there are even mods to fix this for Oblivion(Regional Bounty, Crime has Witnesses). I think there were some for Morrowind too. Having the entire world instantly know you killed someone when there were no witnesses is lame

Do you mean that we can't kill whoever we wanted? If that is the case, I think you have an issue with omniscient guards. There have been threads on this topic before, I think. You might want to try searching on "guard AI" or the like to see what other people have thought. (Although I'm sure they'll be glad to share their opinions here again.)

Also....

Please don't take offense, but I've noticed that in this and your other recent thread (don't know if there are others), you have used the phrase "something on which we can all agree" (it was about Alchemy being one of the least interesting skills in the game in the other thread). I'm relatively new here myself, so I'm probably not in any position to hand out advice, but in general I think it's a good idea to avoid making assumptions about what other people think.

Your opinion in and of itself is valuable; there's no need to try to make it seem more valid by saying that you speak for everyone else.

[Edit: Wow, five posts in the time it took me to type that. You guys are fast.]

Guards were bugged Velorian, even if undetected in the middle of nowhere you recieved a murderers bounty.

That said, I hope killing like a psychpath has serious consequences in Skyrim.
It was fun having my unarmed rogue beat to death the imperial garrison on normal difficulty straight after the Imperial sewers.

At least, when you have a high enough bounty on your head, you can't get away by paying fines. You just mass murdered a whole city? No problem, pay 15 000 septims and you're fine.

Actually, I hope the Fines system is out completely and replaced by a court system.

I don't understand what you mean. You don't want to be able to murder someone..? That's one of the biggest things in TES. Being able to do what you want to do.

wouldn't it be nice to have different bountys in the cities??!!
like: you kill somebody at one end of skyrim and flee to the other countrys end... if you have a good horse you should be faster than the guards and they wouldn't know about your crime everywhere...

Should read the OP again...

Completely agree with you. I hated how I would kill an imperial guard in the middle of nowhere and still get caught. <_<

That build I managed to get through the entire MQ with a bounty of 206389 gold, I spent more time killing the guards during the daedric gate invasions than the actual daedra.
Martin spent hours as I escorted him hitting me with a frost spell.
I also found out that your bounty gets removed after the MQ for free, if you want it too or not .

So yes any way other than fines should be used in Skyrim, or at least handled better.

i think when u kill someone, this music should play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y9nCDTa8nY

:mohawk:

So if you killed EVERYONE, thered be no one left to judge you?

"I'm not paying those pesky fines!" He shouts with a maniacal glint in his eyes as he chases the Imperial Judge down an alley. It's hard to see in the dim, sooty, red glow as the city burns. Ashes rain down and there's a taste of wet iron and sulfur on the air making it hard to breath.
"I'll give you a pardon!" Cries the Judge as he reaches a dead end, breathless and cowering as the scent of urine wafts by. He can taste the Judges fear, savoring it for he knows this is the last...
"I'M NOT PAYING THOSE PESKY FINES!" He screams, lungs exploding and his arms slashing down in a red fury. The forms of the two blending into one dark blur in the shadows, the sounds of metal on bone a symphony of violence.
"Ahh, peace. At last..."

A sound from behind, a scuff of hard leather and mail on cobble...
"Stop citizen! That will be 15000 Septims!"
"NAAOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!"

I agree. I really didn't like that my bounty traveled with me, or that somehow everyone knew I'd committed a crime when there were no witnesses.

I tried but it is impossible to complete the MQ without talking to Burd with a bounty. But I agree, I hope Skyrim will rectify these problems.

That's odd, it was a while back when I did it.
I could have just glitched the game somehow, or just ran straight into the gate.

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP, many of you harp that your looking to get a more realistic feel this time around. How is it that a murder committed in secret much less one committed in psuedo mideval times at which point there was no advanced forensics or suspect identification system can be immediately known by all the guards in this world? It used to annoy the hell out of me, even if the guards in the town where I committed it were aware of what I just did it should still take time for word to travel. If I commit a crime in Chorrol and manage to make it to the Imperial City before a messenger possibly would then there shouldn't be any need for me to have to avoid the guards in that city. I know the point of this system is to discourage a player from wiping out whole towns and villages and/or just killing indiscriminately but if that's my prerogative then I should be allowed to do that. Just my take though, I hope that this get's changed in Skyrim

detectives should be employed if you kill too many people in the wilderness and they eventually find you. I hated the fact that when you killed someone, it was as if the trees had eyes and mouths and could tell everyone what you had done, So if they took it out which i hope they do, i think my method would be a good balancing suggestion

So true... Also another funny thing thet would be good to add... The Guards or something would try to find out the murderer?

And you could hire on as a private investigator to find out.. you.. and you can destroy or alter evidence as an alternative to paying fines or going to jail(to remove your bounty).

You did not read that post, I refuse to believe that you did. That is not in any way what he posted.

i agree with you i hate that all seeing eye the watchmen apparently had