Depends, they very well could be married. Have you stopped and asked?

Win.

Seriously though. I love seeing people get all bent out of shape over their relationships, when they CLEARLY picked the wrong person, or just plain picked an extremely [censored] up person to begin with. Then they get all hostile and profess how they hate the opposite six sooooo [censored] much! (My cousin goes through this cycle every 3 months or so. I get to see it all played out over facebook, too.)

It's hilarious. I laugh. A lot.

:lol:

"So often in time it happens, we all live our life in chains, and we never even know we have the key"

:shifty:

It's true, women and cats will do as they please. Heinlein said it, why yes, a man. I quoted him. Indeed, I find it amusing. It paralells the euphemism about leading a horse to water, but not being able to make them drink it. You cannot force an individual to do as you please.
Just because you percieve yourself as wronged in a relationship does not mean that all of that gender is out to get you.
In fact, quite the opposite is true, the world does not revolve around you.
If you're going to repeat a quote of mine out of context, give props to he who came up with it.

Hmm not sure where this thread has gone. But to answer the question from what I've heard from women both of those options are better than extremly skinny guys, but maybe thats just the few women I have talked to about it. From what Ive heard most women like a wide back/chest ( a V taper) and that look is easily accomplished with decent fitting clothes, whether your a "teddy bear" or you do workout.

Dude. Sigged. You are my hero.

But being overweight and bearded makes you cool, just look at the 19th century.

By the way, your avatar blows my mind every time I see it, I just can't stop looking at it.

Depends on the individual really and whats considered hot and attractive at the time like periods of history or regions where food is scarce and people with more mass was considered attractive; natural selection and looking for good traits pretty much. Personally I find no attraction towards those of a more corpulent nature or a black skin tone however and I'm a bit tall and skinny and have the body of a track runner and something some females would like while others would shun.

Basically try to find someone with qualitys that you can relate with and if you have to pretend and lie about yourself then they are not worth the time nor the effort. I myself have been flirted with but always had problems as far as making convesation and never made the first move; something that the male is expected to make most of the time as someone else has said in a privious thread and often why shy people are at a disadvantage and that knowing how to respond is key.

There, you see, you just did it again.

When your vision is failing, size has an advantage.

It's not just you, confidence is everything, something I know from experience. When I finally learned to just not give a [censored] what other people thought and just keep telling myself how awesome I am, my life turned around like that *snap*. If you're confident in yourself, other people notice.


Few things are less attractive to me than that mindset, I completely agree with you here. I've met girls whose first reaction to my mere presence has been "all men are pigs". My first reaction to that is never to somehow "redeem" my gender, it's usually "[censored] this, I'm leaving".

Oh wow, good come back :rofl:

I cant stand generalizations, tarring people with the same brush leaves us all filthy.



I've never obeyed my own prefrences, I've always thought my type was long thick dark hair, bright blue eyes and porcelain skin. I've only been with one girl who was like that. The rest of my girlfriends have been red heads, brunnettes, even a few with multicoloured hair.

My current girlfriend is naturally platinum blonde, has amber eyes and pale skin. Its a really unusual combination, I've never been so attracted to some one in my life. I think I just prefer striking features over anything concrete.

But strangely enough, my physical attraction to a woman is linked completely with their personaly -- neither makes up for the other, they work in balance. I went on a date once with a very pretty very attactive (and incidentally, very well dressed) girl. We got along fine, but then she started voicing very ugly beliefs and opinions, and judged and [censored]ed about every person we walked past. At the end of the date I was as repulsed by the way she looked as I was with the way she acted.


And If you want women do what I do -- grow a rug on your chest, pop your collar and open 4 or so buttons, wear tight pants and italian boots, walk around with a walking cane and a medalion. Back hand anybody who looks at you and repeatedly use the word Hookah.

Well to be honest, in case of picking up women while drunk, muscles has a bigger advantage, no one can deny that a man in shape is sixier than one who is not, but in all honesty in my experience landing women comes down to how much of an a-hole you are capable and comfortable of being. I have been a nice guy for many years no luck with women, the more I exercised my aggressiveness and my not so flattering traits the better luck I have with women. It is not strange though, everyone wants what they can not have and if you give the ball to the woman well she is surely going to lose interest quicker than you can gain it.


You can look what ever way you are comfortable looking, women are attracted to assertiveness if that comes from having big muscles then they are attracted to that but if your assertiveness comes from being the best Magic the gathering playing in the world well she′ll love you for that. it all comes down to who you want to be and what you are in relation to that.

in my experience at least.
on a side note I am in quite good shape, but looks alone has not given me that much attention from women (well except for middle age women... but stay away from those... especially if they are your mother friends o.O)

From my personal experience. but then again I have gone from being a nerd in my mid teens to something else in my early twenties

I agree with all you said, and most women (under 30) will never admit it.

Why under 30? Because around that age women stop having "fun" with with men they really want and start searching for a nice, stable guy to start a family with.

I do agree with you somewhat that your priorities change when you start looking for husbands and fathers as opposed to one night stands, but I'd probably say it was younger than 30....or else most women wouldn't get married til they were about 35 or have kids til they were about 40...

I would say at 30 desperation sets in I might sound cynical but I have good right to be.

Waaiiit a miiiinute.....

I'd prefer to call it panic, but as a woman I do agree with you a little bit. It's a biological thing. Lots of women's bodies are screaming out 'why is there not a baby in me'!!! by this point...

Well naturally, it all comes down to hormones, and for that sake social values and the like, I mean after all by 30 most women have children... you don′t want to be abnormal do you? o.O might be silly but our emotions are silly for the most part.

I gave a random number. It depends from country/culture to country/culture.

Around here most women marry in their mid-late twenties

Oh right, I forgot about her in all this... I'm just kidding, I'm sure if she wasn't out jogging right now and saw me say that she'd have already slapped me upside the head.

Anyway, reading on from more of this thread and I've come that what my girlfriend told my nephew at a family get together a couple years ago, is really true. So to give you a little history, here's how it came to be. My nephew, like most of you, have/had a cynical outlook on the opposite six. Well when we had a little family gathering, my sister (my nephew's mom) told me that he was having girl issues. Long story short, my girlfriend had a talk with him and told him that if he kept up the attitude that chicks weren't more than what they showed on the outside, then he'd never find a girl he liked if she even slapped him right in the face. The thing is, and it's true no doubt, is that chicks can really sense when a guys attitude is like your guy's attitudes. Cynical, think they're nothing but materialistic, and want nothing more from a man than money, six, and whatever.

But this isn't true. If you saw my girlfriend, you'd for sure think she was stuck up, prissy, and all around what you guys are describing. But if you talked with her, you'd see she was very intelligent and knowledgable on many different subjects (even more than me in some cases) so you all have to stop with this childish cynicism, because it's not going to get you anywhere if you're in the market for a woman. Maybe date a woman a couple times, then see what they can really be like when they're angry or uppity (and ladies, I mean that in the kindest way possible, because I've seen true womanly rage and I have a fairly good idea of what to say and when to say it. )

So yeah, just show off what you've got to offer and if a chick picks up on it than good. If she doesn't, there's others. Your all probably still young teenagers (or older teenagers as well), and don't have a right to be all uppity yourselves on the opposite six. You all have to stop thinking that just because a couple women turn you down, or don't give you the time of day, that none of them in the future will. It's all attitude and ego basically.

To be honest I really didn't give a damn about it since I found alot of HS girls to be...what's the term i'm looking for...o yes "Teases" as some would say. They really didn't care about you and thought it would be fun to screw with your mind. If you got out of hand they called their boyfriend to keep you in line so they could make you their pet. *And some have the guts to say we guys are shallow and pathetic heh heh*.

Found maybe one or two nice HS girls, but never produced a relationship since it just wasn't there. At times I find relationships to be a waste of time that could be better spent curing cancer, advancing studies, or helping out the kiddies.

Then show that you are a better guy and tougher for that sake than their boyfriend. What you are describing seems to be the same characteristics of a poor person complaining that they are poor but are not really willing to do anything about it, deep down you probably know what to do as Nike says just do it.

FFS, women are not the only members of the human species to produce hormones.

This thread has jumped the shark and died on the railroad tracks.

OP, find people who appreciate you for you. The physical you will always change, age comes to us all. If the women you associate with use you, or are so shallow as to only want eye candy, then it is time for you to find new friends.

This thread makes me want to join a monestary.

I never stated that, read it in the context it was written, men were not discussed thus talking about men in that context would add nothing, now would it?