So let me get this straight them using

Swords, Armor, Guns, Forts, Energy Weapons, Invisibility Technology, Medical Tech and Animal Domestication Processes

Despite all those constant uses of tech the Legion is still somehow not reliant on tech is [censored]. They're just as reliant as every other damn faction except they aren't effective and don't necessarily use all technological resources available to them. So please can this damn the Legion doesn't use tech myth end? Seriously it's getting old.

If its getting so old, go start something in another thread. No one is forcing you to stay here.

And I don't know about you, but I rarely see legionaries armed with high end weapons except at Hoover dam, and that may be because by then the courier is a high leveled kick ass ninja, the game needs to throw something at him.

But lore wise, they have a trusty melee weapon and, perhaps a Hutu g rifle on some occasions and amr on others. Besides, they never use ew. For all you know, those legionaries could have been black marketing for better weapons than their swords. Who knows.

They aren't as reliant as other factions.

They can manage without EW, BOS/Van Graffs can't.
They can manage without guns, NCR can't
They can manage without chems, Fiends can't
They can manage without explosives, Powder Gangers can't
They can manage without medical tech, FotA can't
They can manage without robots, House can't

They have training in almost every weapon type, something other factions don't have.

Some of this is speculation. Not 100% accurate.

Once again, couldn't have said it better myself.

Tell me what is managing? If by manage you mean fail then sure they can do that.

Here's the bottom line, the Legion are no closer to a tech free world because they use tech. Even the use of clothing and [censored] spears is technology within itself and means the Legion can't reach a tech free world, which means they can't stop anything from happening under their own logical framework. Any Legion that uses any tech is a Legion that is the same as every other pre-war faction. Nothing any of you say get's around that fact. You can try to say they limit the use of tech or whatever but the very fact Caesar was trying to get [censored] energy weapons and get the artillery to work proves the Legion is still trying to advance labor saving devices.


Wait wait wait let me stop this. Here is the definition of technology.


Can everyone agree to that definition before we move on?

Again with the "oh spear's and rocks and pie and fire is tech"

Just stop. It's an invalid point. A spear is not as much of a texhnological item then a nuke.

You can't blow up a world with a spear.

Or can you...

Do you agree to that definition of technology, if you don't formally say you do I'm going to assume so given no alternative definitions. Now with that out of the way here is your own reason your op for why the Legion is so great.

Now that's obviously not true, considering even spears and basic clothing are technological items in themselves. So instead of saying the Legion is moving away from tech it would be more correct to say they are using alternative technologies to solve problems. Now if there was no technology the Legion would be affected. You see without any technology the Legion would no longer be a totalitarian slaving organization would they? How could they be? Hell no clothing, no armor, no spears, no guns, no swords, no forts, no organization, no methods. Without tech there would be no Legion. Do you see what I'm getting at? To say the Legion uses no tech, or even that the Legion could survive without tech is a non truth. The Legion could not exist without spears, swords, guns, armor, forts, etc.

That said the Legion is technological, they may not use "advanced" tech but they continue to use technology none the less, meaning they can not and will not achieve your value of non-technological independence.

Yes, your saying clothes is at the same technical level as a nuclear warhead.

"hey guys, check out my new atom bomb! It fits perfectly!"

After I talked to Caesar I immediately devoted my character to the Legion and the greater good of civilization. The first thing to understand about the Legion is that Caesar is not out to crucify every man, woman, and child who opposes him. He is crucifying those who stand in the way of progress. But what is progress to Caesar? Progress is the necessary action taken in order to achieve the ultimate goal of a perfect society. A society in which every living human being is judged upon what they can bring to the society, not what they have or who they are related to. Every citizen of Caesar's Legion is a puzzle piece in the grand scheme of the ultimate society where the government is firm but righteous. There is no corruption within Caesar's Legion. Every man, women, and child lives to serve the Legion and the greater good of the society. But this is just the thesis. When the Legion conquers the NCR and meets its antithesis, the synthesis and antithesis will form the synthesis. The synthesis will hold common ideas and beliefs of each piece. However, this synthesis will eventually be challenged by another idea, therefore restarting the thesis versus antithesis process. Although Caesar's Legion may seem cruel and heartless, it is for the greater good. The Legion is indirectly working for the greater good in my opinion. You just have to look past their face value and see into Caesar's mind.

Oh, and there's a video on Youtube called "History of the Legion". It really shows their ultimate goal.

I understand what your getting at so let me rephrase.

The Legion would not be as affected by a loss of newer, advanced technology than other factions.

I define newer, advanced tech as guns, EW, nuclear warheads, power armor, robots, etc.

I'm haven't bothered to read the rest of this, I don't have time (I'm at school right now) so I just want to say this:
I agree, I love the idea of Caeser's Legion conquering tribes, moving from place to place, fighting constantly. However, a problem stands (I don't know if this has been pointed out or not) "When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain he wept for their were no more worlds to conquer". That is a problem that the war machine (let's face it, it IS a war machine) that is Caeser's Legion faces. The Romans would have encountered it if they had gone the way of global domination under better leaders like Gaius Marius and Julius Caeser.

Other than that, yeah, let's go fight stuff.

Ave, true to Caeser.

This I can agree with, my real problem is when people say the Legion is going to side step all the pre war problems and conflicts and issues of human nature because they use spears or something. What makes everyone think the Legion will side step corruption and greed.

Maybe the constant beating and discipline the legion inflicts on its troops who disappoint.

How does that stop human nature among the Legates, Centurions, General etc of the Legion is what I'm still looking for an answer too. I mean everyone in the Legion isn't getting constantly beat.

I don't think that they will side step all pre-war problems, all that they are doing is setting the clock back a couple thousand years. Nothing can side step all conflicts of human nature.

Because war, war never changes.

It's not an invalid point. The Legion is also reliant on tech, they just apply an arbitrary distinction as to what to rely on and what not to. Obviously, a spear isn't complex on the same level as, say, a service rifle, but that doesn't mean it's not technology that the Legion relies upon.


They have no corruption because they have no economy. That's like boasting that the Sahara has no floods, or that animals don't get depressed.

It's also untrue. The Legion does have corruption which should surprise no one. Just look at Jimmy's centurion, Silus, or possibly Aurelius of Phoenix (although all the stuff in his office could be confiscated contraband it seems unlikely). It's incredibly naive to believe the Legion is somehow immune to things like greed and corruption that have been a constant of every human civilization just because the bulk of their troops are brainwashed fanatics who are psychologically incapable of acting against the rules of the Legion.

So because Silus didn't want to kill himself it's considered corruption? And sixuality hardly factors into corruption. They went against the will of the legion but there are no high ranking members of the legion accepting bribery from anyone nor are they exploiting people for money.

Corruption isn't just money, he had an illegal homosixual relationship with his slave; he deviated from an ideology he is supposed to be fighting for, he spurned his leader Caesar's laws for personal gratification, he's corrupt. Given that the Legion is based on Caesar's laws it's the likely equivelant of being say, politically corrupt, in the NCR... in-fact no scratch that it is being politically corrupt.

Yup. And Silus did the same. Not only did he place his own survival above Caesar's orders and the well-being of the Legion but when you interrogate him it's obvious he holds Caesar in contempt.

Exactly, corruption is entirely relevant to what is being accused; it's not just "taking back-hand payments" or what-have-you. It's typically an abuse of power, illegal/damaging actions for selfish reasons, corrupting the system, corrupting yourself; we're all a little corrupt.

And wait a minute, who said the Legion didn't have an economy? They mint their own coins.

aye that they do and i supported them until for some reason the ones in nelson turned hostile due to some bug now im fending off legion assassins.

Hm, that's true. I always just assumed that members of Caesar's Legion had no private property, but now that I think about it that's not quite true.

How does slavery work in the Legion? As I understand it, all members of the Legion are slaves of Caesar, but some legionaries, like Canyon-Runner, clearly also have some ownership of captures, since he's able to profit financially from selling them. So if the Courier hadn't rescued the Weathers, would their ownership have eventually transferred to Caesar when they're 'promoted' to slaves?

What kind of economy does the Legion operate under? Are there some legionaries that have more stuff than others because they're more savvy traders?

Don't really have an argument, just curious.

edit: spelling

I have always thought that Legionaries take weapons and armor from people that they killed and then they sell it for items that have a more practical use to them.
But considering we barely got any Legion content, it's all speculation.