I must say, I really like the main goal of the legion. Conquering every tribe, everybody, and everything and making them all the same. No able-bodied man is different (besides rank), no greed within the legion, and no currupt business and organization taking advantage of people.

Also, the legion learns how to survive off the old ways. Technology is not relied on, and the society is moved away from the pre-war society. No tech, no "U.S." military like the NCR, no democracy, ect ect. All the things that lead the old world to its doom. Repeating history would be the downfall of mankind once again. The Legion moves away from that and learns to survive and conquer without tech and so. They don't rely on it, so unlike NCR and others, if their was no tech left at all, they would be uneffected.

I'm sorry my wording seems a little of place. It's hard to explain easily. I'll answer some questions of you ask politely. Please no flaming or "lol I pwn Caeser look at me" or "lol they r stupidz boi skoutz".

Look at the big picture.

Anyways. Those are some of my thoughts. Your opinions?

How is the Legion no tech is my first side comment. Guns, Fortifications, Artillery, Metal working, Energy Weapons (The Van Gruffs deal), Stealth Boys, Armor etc. etc. those are all technological things. The Legion relies on tech as much as every other faction even the spears they throw take craftsmanship and training to properly yield. With that all said how do you suppose they are a break from the past? In what way possible can an organization that's basically a degenerate Roman Empire be a break from the past?

The legion seriously undervalues technology. When settlers from western Europe moved across the globe to establish colonies in other areas of the world they were able to slaughter thousands of natives with just a few dozen men, every time. Even if the legion managed to grow that large they wouldn't stand a chance against their fully and technically armed enemies.

Oh boy, this thread is gonna get good. *Plops down in a lawnchair and pulls out a bag of Fancy Lads and Nuka Colas*

What about the NCR? They have proved so far that they can easily kill many of their soldiers with just their fists or swords through just tactical fighting and superior close quarters skills. Nelson and Camp Forlone hope are two good examples.

*Flips Martyr off his lawn chair and yells ( http://www.gifsoup.com/view/348860/you-got-knocked-the-fugg-out.html )

The only reason the legion stands a chance right now is because they are fighting a guerrilla war. If the NCR cleaned up their act a bit and established some hard front lines the legion (realistically speaking, mind you) wouldn't last for more than a year.

I agree with you, but the legion is too brutal. Crucifying everything, Seriously. If the NCR rebuilt america, it would destroy itself again because its expanding too fast for its resources to keep up. BoS all the way. Thing about the BoS is they dont recruit anybody.

Possibly. They do lack frontal assault skills. However, the NCR may never get their act straight and many of their troops are poorly armed and poorly equipped. Plus Legion numbers are high. Over 87 tribes! That may be as many soldiers as NCR's 750,000.

If the BoS had numbers and actually recruited people, the NCR or Legion wouldnt stand a chance.

Yep. Except the East Coast, but they are sort of the "outcasts" of the main bos

Don't get me wrong, I like the Legion. They have some cool values and I like their deep admiration and emulation of ancient Roman civilization. But the Romans were innovators. They valued technology, and that's what set them above the Greeks. Heck, when they were sacked by the barbarian hordes all those centuries ago they were on the verge of discovering steam technology!

But would their technology and equipment be available to 750,000 recruits? There are only do many power armor and ew weapons, and I'd imagine ew ammo would be hard to produce or scavage compared to easily produces 5.56 ammo and service rifles.

It would be wrong to say they are totally ignorant of technology. More of that they do not rely on it.

Centurions make use of advanced weaponary such as te Marksman Carbine and Thermic lances. The frutimentalli (can't spell) use stealth boys. So they aren't totally ignorant of tech. The moderate use of it however proves they know how to use some of it, plus they excel in the battlefield and society itself without an abundance of it.

Nope

As Ulysses would say, "different flag, same madness".

I agree with this! But then the BoS might have the same problems as the NCR with supplying troops, unless they just defend the area where their chapters are. And if say the MWBoS and maybe CW BoS (More likely the outcasts from around the area) all grouped up they would also have a pretty large army.

And about the legion, I really do like their goals, but in my opinion there is a such thing as being to old school. Like not relying on technology even if their against it, and women having no roles in warfare kind of screwed them up in the long run.

Ah, but I didn't say the Legion doesn't know how to use technology. I said they don't value it for its potential. There's a difference.

While I wouldn't say having no women in warfare screwed them up, I would say it hurts their reputation.

I mean, what woman would voluntary breed with a legionarie? not many. That's why they...yeah. I don't agree with their views on that. That's just sixist.

Of course, history is also like that. Were women even allowed to serve in the roman empire back then? I'm not sure.

If the BoS allied with the NCR, and they worked together to find alternate energy sources and ways to produce new armor and advanced technology than America would be rebuilt, but with a renewable energy source so it doesn;t destroy itself.

Look at the pre-war days. People valued tech like it was a god. Eventually, tech resulted in the almost extinction in Mankind. Plus, technology can fail on you at any time, and becoming to dependent on it and having t taken away suddenly creates problems there too. Caeser wants to avoid that. The legion wants to avoid that.

No tech didnt result in the great war, lack of resources did. No more fuel etc.

Good luck having them see eye to eye and not kill each other over something. Plus, one or the other faction would probably try to take advantage of the other. The legion however is independent and strong. It does not need allies to succeed.

Yeah but that's not ever going to happen so good luck for that, the Brotherhood are concerned only with technology and it's military applications.

The legion needs allies, like the great khans. Once there "allies" are done their job, they absorb them into their ranks.

Tech definitely resulted in the great war, along with the lack of resources.