Mysterious Akavir

Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:12 am

Mysterious Akavir is beyond cool. Turning it into just a piece of propaganda and the golden scaled immortal vampiric half-snakes into morons would be a very lame move.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:26 pm

Mysterious Akavir is beyond cool. Turning it into just a piece of propaganda and the golden scaled immortal vampiric half-snakes into morons would be a very lame move.



In reality, just about every piece of text in Elder Scrolls is propaganda. It all depends on your bias though. Personally, I like to think that most of Mysterious Akavir is true, if not only for the reason that I want to see a giant tiger dragon in Elder Scrolls VI. And to answer the question before, yes, lore is wonderful.

As for Tosh Raka, if he really did mantle Akatosh or just made himself out to be like Akatosh to the cat-folk are two distinct things. If he actually mantled Akatosh, and I'm sorry for repeating the question, would that give him the powers of Akatosh. If so, was it not then Tosh Raka who ended the Oblivion Crisis?

Many questions, good discussion.

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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:07 am

I think more than likely it's a piece of whimsical exaggeration, based on the real-world discovery of the "savage and mysterious Far East".

If one digs back in time in our own Western civilization, one will discover that throughout most of human written history, the things that were new to us or which were understood little were always misrepresented or embellished.

Remember the old maps which depicted giant monsters and sea serpents filling the oceans? Remember how Africa was described as the "Dark Continent" and tales of jungles filled with cannibals and savage beasts were written into popular fantasy?

Akavir is supposed to be something like Asia, a continent and group of peoples which seem alien to Tamriel because their culture developed completely cut off from it. Their ways seem savage and animalistic, and so their people are represented as being far more exotic than those of Tamriel.

Yes, I'm sure beast people do exist on Akavir. We have no reason to assume that part isn't true. They exist on Tamriel, so why wouldn't they logically exist there? I'm sure Tosh Raka and his people are tiger people. The question remains - is he really a Dragon, or is that a fancy title for Emperor or something?

In the context of "alien Akavir" it may well be a fairy tale. Although it would be much, much cooler if he were http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvPXTDKwWM
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:55 am

I'm sure he's a dragon.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:08 pm

You mean from the pov of the Tsaesci apologists explaining why we should be thankful for their feasting habits?


SILENCE YOURSELF, MORTAL CRETIN. WE WILL EAT YOUR MEMES AND RECYCLE THEM INTO THE GLOSS OF OUR GOLDEN SCALES, FOR WE ARE TSAESCENCE AND WE ATE IT TO BECOME IT AND SO IT SHALL BE AGAIN.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:04 am

Mysterious Akavir is beyond cool. Turning it into just a piece of propaganda and the golden scaled immortal vampiric half-snakes into morons would be a very lame move.


actually it would be a very cool move, dispelling the illusion so to speak. afterall, dwarves turned into dwemer, wild elves turned into oblivions' ayleids, the hist now are just trees, the king of worms was a pathetic altmer, etc. etc. etc.

immortal vampire snakemen, it's better off as just a myth. otherwise, they are just lame given their supreme abilities and can't conquer the mundane races of tamriel. :P

supposively the ice demons invaded morrowind.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:23 pm

Whatever the case, Mysterious Akavir likely contains misinterpretations, in particular the passage saying all the dragons were dead. Redguard proved this to be untrue.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:43 pm

Whatever the case, Mysterious Akavir likely contains misinterpretations, in particular the passage saying all the dragons were dead. Redguard proved this to be untrue.


1. Mysterious Akavir was referring to the Dragons of Akavir, not Tamriel, I believe.

2. Redguard happened a very long time ago; when was Mysterious Akavir written?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:03 pm

2. Redguard happened a very long time ago; when was Mysterious Akavir written?

Redguard happened around the beginning of the First Era, whereas supposedly the information from Mysterious Akavir was acquired from the Potentate, who lived during the late First Era and ruled during first part of the the Second Era. I assume it's from the first Potentate, as his heirs would have been born in Cyrodiil.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:01 am

i thought redguard happened at the end of the second era...
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:17 pm

i thought redguard happened at the end of the second era...

Probably, but it's still near the same time as the beginning of the Third.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:29 pm

yep
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:36 pm

Whatever the case, Mysterious Akavir likely contains misinterpretations, in particular the passage saying all the dragons were dead. Redguard proved this to be untrue.


1.) If you actually read Mysterious Akavir, you'd see that those dragons that weren't eaten emigrated to Tamriel, where they became the symbols of the Empire.

2.) The Tsaesci didn't kill the dragons, they http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml. I cannot stress this enough, and that's why all my Akaviri posts are morbidly cryptic and in-character -- it helps give people an idea of what that means.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:17 pm

1.) If you actually read Mysterious Akavir, you'd see that those dragons that weren't eaten emigrated to Tamriel, where they became the symbols of the Empire.

2.) The Tsaesci didn't kill the dragons, they http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml. I cannot stress this enough, and that's why all my Akaviri posts are morbidly cryptic and in-character -- it helps give people an idea of what that means.

Let's see...

Ka Po' Tun is the "Tiger-Dragon's Empire". The cat-folk here are ruled by the divine Tosh Raka, the Tiger-Dragon. They are now a very great empire, stronger than Tsaesci (though not at sea). After the Serpent-Folk ate all the Men, they tried to eat all the Dragons. They managed to enslave the Red Dragons, but the black ones had fled to (then) Po Tun. A great war was raged, which left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the Dragons all dead. Since that time the cat-folk have tried to become the Dragons. Tosh Raka is the first to succeed. He is the largest Dragon in the world, orange and black, and he has very many new ideas.

-http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mysterious_Akavir

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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:10 am

Ah, I'm terribly sorry. My condescension was misplaced; it is the http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/other_lands.shtml that mentions how Akaviri dragons are Tamrielic dragons, not Mysterious Akavir.

Though the rest of my point, to which you haven't responded, still stands.
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