Ok, there is this one phrase in the book 'Mysterious Akavir' which has been really bugging me. Take a look at this...



Now to me this looks like dracomancy, but this is the only article in TES which i have read which has the slightest bit of dracomancy, i asked some people who say that the article is inaccurate and that dracomancy isn't possible in the TES world, because of the significance and sacred value to the empire. Other people i asked said that Tosh Raka is actually a dragon, there is after all the theory that dragon's can shape-shift so he could have been a dragon from the beginning.

I'm thinking that if TES V is set in Summerset then we may see a bit more of this topic, after all that is sort of the mages capital of Tamriel, and they are trying to achieve a complete monopoly on the magic business.

What do you guys think?

first of all, ive never even heard of dracomancy, so i had to look it up. still not totally sure what it entails.

anyways, i think its been said that the bolded passage is more an issue of mantling and divine imitationalism than it is of actually trying to turn yourself into a physical dragon. Tosh Raka is just Akatosh switched around.

TESV aint gona be in Summurset, and even if it were they are far removed from Akavir.

Wait a second, you mean Tosh Raka is Akatosh? :wacko:

i mean he is trying to be akatosh.

Sounds more like dracomocracy to me.

I believe I've read somewhere that dragons do have the ability to shapeshift so the theory about him being a dragon from the beginning would make since to me. But I've never heard of dracomancy either.

He became a god by imitating Akatosh, same as Talos. No -mancy about it, just myth.

It's made pretty clear in the games that Mysterious Akavir is not a credible source of information. For all we know "dragon" could just be a figurative thing like a title, or maybe it's a mistranslation of something (see Herodotus and his giant, gold-digging ants).

Wtf. Double post.

No.

That's lame. And goes along the lines of saying that the Tsaesci aren't immortal snakemen vampires.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore%3a%50ocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Other_Lands

I would say that, the source aside, Tosh Raka has been accepted as a sort of dragon for a while. It's very possible that he has been a dragon before he was a Ka Po Tun, but that would be less interesting

As to mantling Akatosh (which has been "supported" by Tosh Raka sounding like Aka Tosh), I find that is also a distinct possibilty. However, would mantling our Dragon God also give him chrono-powers?

And yes, the misinterpretation of him being a "dragon" is possible. Say he wears a crown of a dragon skull, and calls himself the dragon king of the Tiger Folk. Being the lord of the Ka Po Tun, he could easily make his people call him that, or have it be a nickname placed on him by the Tsaeci. "He is as strong as a dragon" or something similar.

However, if a game is set there, I assume he will be one of the main NPCs, perhaps trying to vie for support to defeat the Tsaeci. Sounds fun.

EDIT: Ah, Crimson brings a good point. All we know of our Tiger Dragon friend come from the Tsaeci invaders. Beyond translation, they could even have lied to us.

Is it possible for him to have mantled Alkosh, the Khajiit interpretation of Akatosh-as-hero, and described as a dragon that is a really big cat? He's not described as being a god of time so much as a culture hero (the Khajiit reliance on and connection to the lunar lattice perhaps making them both more aware of and less likely to worship the concept of ordered time).

Mysterious Akavir's questionable as it gets as a source, but the whole corporeal god-from-normal-being thing fits really well.

They're all the same thing, so it doesnt matter. the only version of Akatosh that can be different is Alduin, which is technically Satakal, the synthesis of Anu and Padhome or Anuiel and Sithis rather.

Auriel coudl be said to be the same thing regarding the god-hero version of Akatosh.

So basically until we get a more reliable source of lore we can't get a clear answer?

Isn't lore fun

:rolleyes: Like that's stopped anyone before.

Actually I think it's been confirmed by a dev somewhere that Tosh Raka is literally a dragon now, complete with a tiger-stripe color scheme.

And for the record, the "-mancy" magic-naming scheme means almost nothing in the Elder Scrolls universe, especially when you grab Latin words at random and attach them to it in an attempt to categorize magic. There's no such thing as "dragon magic," just plain magic. If anything, Tosh Raka's transformation would be a combination of Alteration (physically changing his body), Restoration (augmenting the limitations of his body), and Mysticism (Jesus Christ what the hell is going on?).

Yeah i heard about that too, i'm thinking that this dragon thing is over though, they introduced the article back in the days of Morrowind, if they were planning to do something with that piece of information i think they would have done it in oblivion, however they did bring the same article in Oblivion, maybe it's their way of saying not to forget about it just yet.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited; imagination encircles the world."-Albert Einstein

i think tosh raka is an tsaesci scam, as in, there's something more worse than us, so be thankful we're here first. or something.

You mean from the pov of the Tsaesci apologists explaining why we should be thankful for their feasting habits?

exactly, considering the info in mysterious akavar is mostly from the potentate.

Mysterious Akavir is truely the Tsaesci "cookbook", then...

How to Serve Man

IT'S A COOKBOOK!