There's more than one definition to retconning. Retconning can mean to add info explain a mechanical choice. Look it up.

Plus its more than just "some names a mage gave it", Again, know the lore/canon.


Necromancy has never been a PC skill. Thaumaturgy has no lore and means miracle working.

I also find it funny that nobody read the book I linked and would rather just continue arguing about somthing they apparently know nothing about. Mysticism is the oldest school of magic.

No, your sources are wrong.

But you can still cast Necromancy trough Conjuration.

So how can the two be different school when you can cast the same spells from different schools?

Yes, to add something AFTER THE FACT, as in, go back in time and add something to the story that usually attempts to not contradact previous examples. This is still not an example of what they are doing with mysticism.

No, its is literally just that. Colleges are arbitrary definitions and attempts to separate magick based on the thought processes involved. If the mage illumini all decided that mysticism would be quartered and all of its curriculum taught as part as other schools, then yes, mysticism now ceases to exist. It is the same as with my example of real-life alchemy. Mysticism will exist in essence, but as a form it is now totally extinct.

No, my sources are right.

Main issue is not a lack of spell effects, as I understand we will get around the same number as in Oblivion, might get some new one not sure if dragon shouts effects is included.

A lack of spell making would make the system far less flexible as you will be limited to the supplied spells, will they give us water walking on touch? Sounds useless unless you tries to take a horse over water.

Again, no. plus the Psijics of Artaeum are not the mage illumini.

According to that book Mysticism exist in lore for the same reason it exist in gameplay. It's a collection of spell effects they couldn't understand, and they couldn't put them anywhere else.

I apparently got here after you changed it. It made reading this a little confusing at first because I thought he was arguing with himself for a moment lol.

Anyway we still get to keep all our spells so the loss of a label isn't that big a deal to me. I think they probably did it to even out the skills and/or because creating a perk tree with meaningful perks was a failure.

No, they are the most mundane and mysterious spells. They are magical effects that hold Nirn together technically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9nFs2PeWw0

No, the Psijics are the elite god lords elites of the mages, considering both their power and mystery.

You act as though mysticism is defined by nature. It is not. None of the schools of magic are. Magic, in its base form, is just potential. It is mortals (And technically, aedra and daedra) that decide what to do with that potential, and even to decide that specific ways of using it will have a definition. None of the magical schools are set in stone. They are simply a way of thought that is constantly morphing and changing across time. Technically, anything is possible with magic, so definitions are always going to be arbitrary. What is the point in defining what is infinite, as if anyone could provide such a definition in the first place?

Again, know the lore. the fact remains, that the only reason to get rid of it, is to have less skills. Something I am of course against.

Why are you sad that school of magic was pointless all you could do was detect enemies

Go ahead and provide examples, if the lore proves me so wrong. I want actual examples from books. Where are the schools defined by nature? My examples were clear and unmistakable, not to mention unarguable against. Magic has always been defined as energy from the Aetherius, which is pure potential. That is literally all that makes up magic. Everything else is arbitrary definitions provided by mortals.

When a thread gets take over by one person arguing their point and, in effect, shouting down others who are trying to explain their viewpoints, and who then get told disimissively to "read the lore"... it's probably time to close the thread.

Edit: OP, if you want to restart the topic in the hopes that some people can not drag the thread down, please PM me first. I always like mysticism class, but if the types of spells show up in different ways in the game, then I am fine with it. I don't get too hung up on the actual label.