Nakedness

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:35 pm

I like the idea but it needs some correcting, instead of fining or jail the guard would just say: put some panties on and wouldn't agree to talk to you (aka when you ask questions like where something is) before you do so. I also like the idea of people reacting with disgust (but only in "finer" areas).
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Tiffany Holmes
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:37 am

Coming up with ideas that reference medieval culture is fan and dandy, but trying to refute an idea on the grounds that it doesn't fit in with medieval times is ridiculous because Tamriel is not medieval times. It is in its own time and space. It is the Fourth Era.


I'm not sure why people don't seem to understand this. You'll see people talking about how there "should" be slavery or there "should" be more racism or things "should" be more primitive or simple yet this is two hundred years after Oblivion and the societies in the game are older than the societies of the modern world. Just because alchemy, magic, and obviously fully functional prayer alters replace the need for technology does not mean their world should be perpetually primitive in every way, in my opinion.

As to the topic, I'm indifferent. I doubt every single part of Skyrim would be cold all the time. There is an entire continent to the North! In the colder mountains and such perhaps clothing should shield you. Unless the game is set entirely during the winter I don't think this idea that everything is freezing everywhere makes any sense.

Nudity is not equally considered offensive in all parts of the world so the people claiming that it's due to modern society are wrong. There is not a direct correlation between advanced society and a shunning of nudity.

To answer the question seriously though comments would make sense but I don't think you should get into trouble with the law over underwear. I'm sure they'll leave the true nudity to the modders anyway.
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Ana
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:15 pm

I dont think that many people would actually react, nords are naked all the time
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:56 am

Maybe not a crime, but I would want there to be more of a reaction if my player is naked. I always thought it odd how I could run around in my underwear in Cyrodiil and no one seemed to notice.


The Elder Scrolls and all of the varying cultures are not the medieval times. Everyone please please stop using this idea as a point of argument for anything. It is irrelevant.

well maybe its a "fantastic" medieval setting with "varied" cultures but medieval none the less.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:52 pm

In Morrowind at least people told you something along the lines of "put some clothes on, fool!"
I think they should bring that back.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:58 am

Maybe in Nirn society nakedness is just not a crime.
Because like people keep saying you can't base it on earth culture.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:44 pm

Maybe an option but not forced.....
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:19 pm

well in medieval times nakedness was much more accepted than today, blame the victorians


Damned Victoriand. I hate them all. They ruined everything, those damned ruiners. Well, except for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, God bless his Fairy Believing soul. Anyway, Elder scrolls doesn't let you run naked. Not REALLY. Though I don't see why not. Could a live nvde possibly be more disgusting than the naked and mutilated corpses impaled backside first all over Oblivion and dangling around in necromancer caves?/? I mean, seriously.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:38 am

......... or women looked away out of embarrassment if you strolled down the street in the buff.........
I want the option to point and laugh :lol:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:45 pm

well maybe its a "fantastic" medieval setting with "varied" cultures but medieval none the less.


There is nothing medieval about Tamriel.
There are a million little things about Tamriel that clearly make it far more advanced.
The ubiquitous use of printing for other things than religious texts. Advanced glasswork such as the clear glass panels seen on the display cases in oblivion. The architecture of the cities. The very way their society is layed out.
All in all they are far more akin to the renaissaince than those boring middle ages.

And that is even ignoring the fact that Tamriel is not Earth and has vastly different natural laws wich means they will never have technology.

The point brought up before is an excellent point.
Medieval has absolutely nothing to do with TES.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:30 pm

I'd like NPCs to react to my clothing.
If my character is naked, the NPCs should react to that. I liked the NPC's responses in Morrowind.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:19 pm

the opposition to nakedness irl came with the rise of christianity, judaism, hinduism and similar religions that basically introduced modesty. Ancient Greeks didn't feel the need to wear clothes. aboriginis, spelt incorrectly, rainforest tribesmen etc. don't wear clothes.

Did the religion empires religion introduce this concept of modesty?
Personally, i think it's a bit weird to prance around in public in your underwear, if fun. so some opposition would be expected.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:45 pm

If you went in your skivves, then you couldn't talk to the Royals I believe, so clothing ment a difference in Daggerfall. I wish it did the same in Skyrim, since in Morrowind and Oblivion clothing didn't make a differnce in the game world.

Can't remember how Oblivion works, but clothing does make a difference in Morrowind.
If you have expensive clothing, people will like you a bit more.
And if you go naked, people will constantly be telling you to get dressed.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:34 pm

There is nothing medieval about Tamriel.
There are a million little things about Tamriel that clearly make it far more advanced.
The ubiquitous use of printing for other things than religious texts. Advanced glasswork such as the clear glass panels seen on the display cases in oblivion. The architecture of the cities. The very way their society is layed out.
All in all they are far more akin to the renaissaince than those boring middle ages.

And that is even ignoring the fact that Tamriel is not Earth and has vastly different natural laws wich means they will never have technology.

The point brought up before is an excellent point.
Medieval has absolutely nothing to do with TES.



Actually it's a horrible point. The Elder Scrolls is a Medieval Fantasy. Medieval because it relies on the sword and sorcery formula and fantasy because of all the things you mentioned.

The entire concept of the game is based on ideas taken out of medieval fantasy media, be it books, movies, comics, what have you. Sure it's a separate world, but it's not a real world, and it is a world completely derived out of the game developers wanting to make a medieval fantasy.

I don't care if Tamriel isn't earth; it's a made up world that is completely derivative. If you ask any of the developers what time period they draw most of their inspiration from, can you guess their answer? If it's not the medieval period I'd eat my boot.

This of course doesn't mean they need to stick strictly with whatever was the norm in the medieval times, because the whole fantasy section gives them leeway to do whatever the hell they want with the game. But to completely ignore how the game is a derivative medieval fantasy, like almost every other rpg on the market, is ludicrous and and implies some cognitive dissonance.

Summarily I am saying that Skyrim's setting is extremely comparable and derived from the middle ages and medieval times, especially the Age of Vikings. To ignore this is as I said before ridiculous. So when coming up with ideas and projections for the game, this is the time period they will be drawing most from.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:35 pm

It is a crime when I go nvde,..
Against mankind, for I'm one hot, steaming, smoking godlike hunk.

Some reactions would be nice in Skyrim, however there is not really any laws modern or ancient that really were held up.
Except in very socially strict with segregated sixes and religious ones, Morrowind was like this.

I don't think however Skyrim has that feel, a more rough and ready, lawless vibe atm.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:02 pm

Let's please not turn the game world into a nunnery. Clothes should influence people's perception of you, most definitely, but unless there is an in-universe reason for modesty laws, I don't think choice of clothing should be punishable. A good in-universe reason being something like a city which has fallen under the control of a fringe religious group, or caste-specific clothing within a specific culture, etc. etc.

Along the lines of perception, wearing ancient or powerful wizards robes should make people treat you with some degree of reverence or respect, while wearing quality armor would make the people tend towards a similar sort of respect. Dress like an aristocrat and the poor will treat you like a snob, whilst the nobles will entertain your presence more readily at a party.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:43 pm

Well if you knew anything about this. Nudity is not againts the law in Tamriel it is simply looked down upon.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:23 pm

I don't it should be made a crime but they should have the NPC's take notice.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:59 am

There is nothing medieval about Tamriel.
There are a million little things about Tamriel that clearly make it far more advanced.
The ubiquitous use of printing for other things than religious texts. Advanced glasswork such as the clear glass panels seen on the display cases in oblivion. The architecture of the cities. The very way their society is layed out.
All in all they are far more akin to the renaissaince than those boring middle ages.

And that is even ignoring the fact that Tamriel is not Earth and has vastly different natural laws wich means they will never have technology.

The point brought up before is an excellent point.
Medieval has absolutely nothing to do with TES.

i'll give you that one.
nirn is its own world.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:34 pm

the opposition to nakedness irl came with the rise of christianity, judaism, hinduism and similar religions that basically introduced modesty. Ancient Greeks didn't feel the need to wear clothes. aboriginis, spelt incorrectly, rainforest tribesmen etc. don't wear clothes.

Did the religion empires religion introduce this concept of modesty?
Personally, i think it's a bit weird to prance around in public in your underwear, if fun. so some opposition would be expected.


Early Judiasm and Hinduism didn't have huge problems with it either. Lots of people wore minmal clothes in those days in the warmer climes. It must be remembered that modern Hinduism in places like India has been largely influenced by long occupation by Christian empires.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:24 am

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Thank you for accusing me of suffering 'cognitive dissonance' when I claim that for something to be called medieval, it needs to be medieval in nature. That for something to be based on medieval times it shouldnt have more in common with the renaissance.

May I reciprocate by pointing out, good sir, that in fact calling something medieval because it has swords and spells is a far less cognitively sound point to make?
Especially since for a comparison with the real medieval times spells can be taken out of the equation entirely.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:06 pm

Kinda disturbs me people are going to buy this game to see what their character looks like without armour equipped.. :nope:
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:44 pm

Strange.
I remember I once was naked and a guard was passing by.
When he saw me,he standed still while staring me for some time.
After a few seconds he said "Eh... Is something wrong ?"
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:02 pm

That's not why. It's because Nirn is not at all like Earth. Magic exists, elves exist, intelligent beast races exist. Nirn runs under extremely different rules than the real world. So many vital things that make modern society what it is today are completely different in every way in the Mundus. The idea that "society hasn't advanced" as far as the real world's is a flawed idea because they are two entirely different situations. No society in Nirn will ever be anything like our society. In time, it should only get even more different from our own because our society is something that has formed under the laws of our universe. Nirn's society will form differently under their universe.


Honestly thos things are nto so far fetched, except for maybe magic, but they believed in that in medieval times.

EDIT: Actually you put ti as extremely different rules, when really the rules are nearly identical.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:58 pm

Honestly thos things are nto so far fetched, except for maybe magic, but they believed in that in medieval times.

EDIT: Actually you put ti as extremely different rules, when really the rules are nearly identical.


No, they are really extremely different.
The sun is a hole in the sky through wich magic pours into the world.
The stars are smaller holes.
The natural laws on Tamriel are called the Earthbones, and they used to be self-aware and very powerful entities.

That people in medieval times believed in magic is irrelevant. It never worked.
In Tamriel, it does work.
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