Hi all!

I'm writing this post as a reaction to the post (Why spammers and hackers SHOULD be named and shamed) that has been locked:
http://secure.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=66680

I wanted to react directly in that post, but it has already been locked by community veteran DrMilzie. To be honest, I don't understand why that thread was locked - as far as I'm aware, it didn't break any forum rule and OP was really looking for opinion of others on "naming and shaming" topic.

According to the very own words of DrMilzie, community veterans are the voice of the community (source: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=653881&sid=5b09cb92999dd1cec4379a6bb4cfb40e#p653881). I believe that's what they should be, not what they really are (this is not addressed to all of them though!). As for the other topic, my voice, voice of the-termin8r and possibly other members was shut down quite efficiently. Again, I don't know the reason for the thread lock, but that action is apparently appreciated by Crytek itself as it was liked by its own employee.

Anyway, to the naming and shaming topic itself. First, what that rule is all about (source: http://secure.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=524818&sid=898f029a5c26c2f28509771b68134829#p524818):
The reason for the Naming and Shaming rule is to prevent harming innocent users, reduce "hacker paranoia", and to avoid drawn-out arguments in the forums.
In my eyes, the rule was never good solution, but it was a necessary evil during Crysis 2 times. Game was abandoned by the developers so it was clear that nothing is going to be improved with its anti-cheat. Worse, players were allowed to create basically infinite number of accounts. Even if someone would report a cheater, nothing would change as all he/she has to do is to create new account and continue cheating. When it comes to "hacker paranoia" - yes, it existed in Crysis 2 and it was a bad thing. But I think this community and even Crytek needs to be honest with themselves - there was a particular episode in Crysis 2 life when the game was really unplayable because of the hackers. The hacker problem was very real, it was not just a paranoia. Things got a little better when CrysisConsole was released and admins started to use it. But even it wasn't the ultimate solution as not all administrators were using it and it was not able to detect all kinds of cheats/hacks. All that "naming and shaming" rule really accomplished for Crysis 2 is that it kept forums relatively clean.

When it comes to Crysis 3, I don't really see any good usage for "naming and shaming" rule. The very first question we all should ask (including Crytek) is "why are players so eager in shouting out loud - HE IS A HACKER"? Of course, there are more things hiding behind that. It could be ego of those who are loosing and nothing can be done about that. And there are surely more such reasons. But could it be that players are accusing each other because of how game behaves itself? For example the kill cam - it was completely broken back in Crysis 2 and countless of players were accused as cheaters because of how it behaved. Before C3 release, I think players believed that kill cam will be fixed. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. Is it possible that some accusation that we see nowadays are caused by the confusions of the players by the kill cam? I believe fixing things such as kill cam (of course, kill cam is not the only broken mechanic that could cause confusion, hit detection, etc.) should be the solution to false accusations, not "naming and shaming" rule.

But even with the current state of the game and its problems, how about creating three sticky threads:
- Confirmed cheaters/hackers (locked and only mods could modify)
- False hack accusations (locked and only mods could modify)
- Determine the cheater/hacker (anyone can modify and add opinion)

When it comes to "hacker paranoia", DrMilzie himself is saying that:
Also, believe it or not, the vast majority of hackusations are noobs that get destroyed by good players, especially in crysis 3 where there are hardly any cheaters.
The public presentation of false accusation will only lead to decrease of any hacker paranoia. Win there. Drown-out arguments in the forum? It's happening anyway, but if someone posts video footage and falsely accusing other player - the person is seriously risking his/her reputation and will think twice if he/she is going to do that or not.

DrMilzie is very wrong in one thing:
Naming and shaming only brings arguments and trolling to the forums, It does not help the community in any way.
If one considers that statement as true, the person is completely ignoring the fact that server administrators can perform preemptive bans based on video footage from other players. Every single server out there is payed by the members of this community. It's their good will to put their money into the game and support it. If you ask me, these people should have the option to better administer their servers. And very important thing to remember - players can no longer create multiple accounts as they could in Crysis 2. This means that if server administrator bans hacker, he's done. This is a huge difference between Crysis 2 and Crysis 3 and thanks to this difference, public naming of hackers starts to make sense.

I'll tell you this, Battlefield 3 has MORE cheaters than C3.

DrMilzie is very wrong in one thing:
Naming and shaming only brings arguments and trolling to the forums, It does not help the community in any way.
If one considers that statement as true, the person is completely ignoring the fact that server administrators can perform preemptive bans based on video footage from other players. Every single server out there is payed by the members of this community. It's their good will to put their money into the game and support it. If you ask me, these people should have the option to better administer their servers. And very important thing to remember - players can no longer create multiple accounts as they could in Crysis 2. This means that if server administrator bans hacker, he's done. This is a huge difference between Crysis 2 and Crysis 3 and thanks to this difference, public naming of hackers starts to make sense.

Some server admins are easy to contact, and are more than willing to view any evidence that shows a player not playing by the rules. Just play on those servers and go that route its far more effective.

Thank you for the support. Though I honestly don't suffer from hacker paranoia. It's just that Crytek made a world class F*CK UP of this game with last patch and the lag, recent 'server hack' and spammers have just completely sent my hatred for Crytek's customer service and all the people that turn to spamming, because they don't know how to handle their own BS blasting through the roof.

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I'll tell you this, Battlefield 3 has MORE cheaters than C3.
Yeah, it's really make sense:

C3 PC players online: 513
BF3 PC players online: 55752

More cheaters, more players, more everything

I'll tell you this, Battlefield 3 has MORE cheaters than C3.
It's normal when you only play canol tdm
I told you to play that only tdm for getting used to the weapon system, you gotta play the big boy maps.

At least your post wasnt deleted like mine when I asked about the "hacked site" incident, because the ppl whose info got stolen desrve to know what happened. Not only did crytek take a collosal sh*t on what was once known as the Crysis franchise, they introduced the "pay to get skill" system via the rhino, and thats just scratching the surface.

community veterans got butthurt -_-

Oh trust me it's more than that. There is however one of them (whom I very very unfortunately cannot name and shame) that I have a specially reserved hatred for. That's because they seem to not know the forum rules and just lock and delete threads to their own accord even if they breach none of the rules. So if this thread gets locked we are most likely going to find out who it is. If this post is deleted by the person in my description, I PROMISE you people that I WILL name and shame him. And I don't and won't give a flying F*CK about the goddamn consequences.

Inb4 locked thread.