In Fallout: New Vegas you find an eyebot who has a log in him that states he was sent from the capital wasteland to Navarro... strange. I thought Raven Rock was made after Navarro was destroyed and the Enclave fled across the US?

Raevn rock is a real place in the DC region, or within travelling distance anyway.

The Enclave more than likely had bases and facilities all over the US.

Raevn rock is a real place in the DC region, or within travelling distance anyway.

The Enclave more than likely had bases and facilities all over the US.

Yeah, that seems to be what New Vegas is saying and I don't have a problem with it, I just thought dialogue in Fallout 3 stated they moved to the East after Fallout 2.

The Enclave did move out to Raven Rock after Fallout 2. But Raven Rock did exist prior to that as an Enclave stronghold, given Eden was a Presidential Adviser of the Richardson Administration prior to his assuming Presidency.

Given the Eyebot also has references to a Chicago outpost, it's safe to say the Enclave is probably scattered throughout the North American Continent, but their primary base of operations were the Oil Rig and Raven Rock.

Ah, right... I forgot about that dialogue. Good call!

Interesting that they had many bases, I wonder how many of them are left. Probably depends on if they are ever used as the main villain again I guess.

Probably not any major ones. Narravo is still functioning it seems, and they have a branch in Chicago. Not sure if they have any sort of presence in the Mojave Wasteland yet, but I'm sure they have other outposts scattered around the North American Continent. Given Vault-Tec was setting up Vaults in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few bases up there.

With the fall of Raven Rock and Adams Airforce Base, Narravo is the most likely candidate to become the next Enclave HQ, given the scientist at Adams was sending ED-E there.

I tend to be of the belief that, with the death of TWO xenophobic presidents, the MAJOR loss of life in the War on Mutation, and what is most likely the worst economy in American Fallout-History... it's probably unlikely that, if we DO see the Enclave in full force again, they will be ANYTHING like the psychotic genocidal maniacs we've seen today. If anything, they're more likely to be the cheery, 50's stereotype communities... with their Gung-ho Army of 18 year old boys fresh out of school, ten feet tall and bulletproof.

If they make one more game with the Enclave as this generic, boring, depth-less 'force of darkness'... I may just have to teach myself how to do video game design... get myself a job with whoever is developing the next game... and BEAT THEM SENSELESS WITH THEIR OWN [censored] STORY-BOARDS!!!!!


Ugh... huh... huh... huh... *pant, wheeze* ...


Right! So! Enclave!

Yeah, they're probably all over the place... scattered bases and outposts around the United States which survived the nuclear bombardment. Hell, with EIGHTY years or so to get themselves established... it might even be possible that they have some larger cities and communities in regions we haven't even explored yet in the Fallout series.

Hopefully, if we ever see them again, they've developed some CHARACTER!

Autumn at least seemed to grasp the original "Mission" of the Enclave was utterly impossible to accomplish. A pity that particular plot thread never got touched upon beyond some passing dialogue.

But I agree with you, the Enclave are rather shallow and boring, as far as opponents go.

Wasnt there some mention of an active submarine under enclave control in FO2?, cant keenly remember now and its been quite a while since I broke out that old game. That aside though I do hope that if we have any future encounters with the enclave they have more character then they've been given thus far.

The submarine was meant to be under contol of the Shi, not the Enclave.

hmm fair enough, at least I remembered there was a mention of a sub...

I don't think Control is the right word to use.

The sub was how the Shi (Chinese) got there, now its just a wreck, they have stripped it of all useful parts.

The plan was to have the sub functional in FO2, and it was going to be another challenge to avoid before sailing off in the tanker.

There are few reminiants of that intention, however if you walk around the docks, you'll find an eyescanner that may have been a part of the quest.

Navarro's under the control of the NCR as of about twenty years prior to New Vegas (a few years after the Oil Rig blew up, the NCR moved in).

Source?

It's on the Wiki, but it gives no source location for that there. Unless it's part of the Fallout 2 Ending Dialogue (Ironically, despite my long love of Fallout, I've never actually beaten Fallout 2.)

Arcade Gannon's dialogue implies that the Enclave Remnant had to leave Navarro, because the NCR was closing in on the facility and had them seriously outnumbered. The NCR has apparently been trying to take out its power armored neighbors.

Which is only logical, really. You don't conduct military operations away from home while leaving a highly technological armed force at your back.

in FO2, in the presidential level, to the right of the presidents room, there is a map with red/orange dots all over. 2 in where Cali is (oil rig/Navarro), 1 at DC (RR), and a whole lot more all over the place.

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Your thinking of the Shi. The Shi had the submarine...

edit: oops I guess this was covered already. Whoever said they were Chinese you are mistaken I distinctly recall that they were Japanese.

Until FO3 the Chinese only appeared in Ron Perlman's opening story telling narrative of the long long ago.

The eyebot's journey from Raven Rock to Navarro only implies that there was a dearth of communication involving Navarro's abandonment. It is not canon that Navarro was destroyed in FO2. Only the Oil Derrick gets destroyed officially. I recall in the ending of FO2 if you help the NCR establish themselves it mentions that they move into Navarro which I found to be ironic considering their tyrannical methods (note The Squat, Broken Hills and Bittersprings as well as a war with the BOS.)

IMO and with the plotline of Van Buren/ Dr. Richard Preston in mind the NCR are not really "the good guys" per se. For all we know the Enclave has infiltrated their government (remember that the Enclave has plenty of practice as a shadow government prewar) and is now operating under the flag of the two headed bear. Navarro might still be under Enclave control therefore...in that case the eyebot was still being sent on Enclave errands into what would appear to be an NCR controlled location.

The Shi were Chinese.

Remember the Wiki (like all Wiki's) is at best a secondary source. Although the information is usually correct, it is at the day written by an unknown person after the fact.

From my understanding, Navarro was captured by the NCR military sometime after the event of Fallout 2. My guess of why the Eye-bot was still sent there was wither a result of miscommunication, outdated information, or the fall of Navarro being classified.

source?

edit: nevermind, I stand corrected: "The Shi were descendants of the crew of the Chinese Shi Huang Tiang submarine." Darn.