NCR is not the villain, but it's not someone I want deciding for anyone's fate.


The NCR's sole virtue in existence is to provide free money to New Vegas Free Economic Zone. As long as it's kept on a tight leash I have no problem with NCR, but science have mercy on them if they start going imperial all over again some day.

The Legion is just a bunch of tyrannical nutjobs, people before me have said better than I ever could.

Please don't snipe at religion around here. Keep God out of discussion unless you want to spark religious debate which is a no no >_>

They're more like the do everything for us because we are too stupid and lazy to do it our selves guys.

Yes, they are.

(Heh, I C wut U did thar.)

Ah a thread full of angry sarcastic lore baboons defending their faction, how pleasant.



This sums up the thread quite nicely and my opinion too.

Every faction of New Vegas has a good and bad side about it.
Which one you like and which one you hate depends upon one's life experiences and philosophy or even character suitability.
Arguing over little details like people in this thread are doing is silly- what *you* see in New Vegas is what *you* get.

Hi, you must be new to the New Vegas forum. Here, we don't use logic, or proper discussion, we just shout 'DEMOCRACY CUZ ITZ LIEK AMURCA!', throw our feces, and blindly hate the Legion.

Not sniping at religion mate, just used the sentence for a visual image of what I relate it to when I listen to Caesar or some of the other high ranking Legionaries try to explain their goals. It seems to me like their trying to explain something that can't be explained.

New? hardly. I just see no need to jump into threads and battle other people in mindless, sarcastic, morality debates which will ultimately be decided by Bethesda- as to who is 'right' at Hoover Dam.

Yep, but as a veteran of this forum it doesnt work, I've tried to show the moral brilliance of House, the deep grey misguidedness of the Legion, but around here it's NCR or none :sadvaultboy:

So we all agree that the Legion is good and that the NCR is the villain?

Only the idiots do. The three main factions are morally subjective. If you find NCR evil, that's your perogative, if you find Legion evil, that's your perogative.

What Martyr said. None of the 4 main factions should really be called evil. Being a Legion supporter, it's really quite irritating hearing "LEGION BAD DEY HAS SLAVES AND R MEAN " And they're all :disguise: and I'm all :banghead: and :facepalm: and :homestar:

Yep. They are profligates*! Now you're getting the hang of it. For Caesar!!

* the ironic thing is, ancient Rome was one of the most profligate empires ever seen, through much of its history- dissolute, corrupt, immoral, wasteful, etc... not exactly a fine choice as an example of historic virtue.

Looks like you have three people inside you, how about a fourth. :hubbahubba:

(It's a joke don't kill me ;-; )

I hate the NCR with a passion, but that doesn't mean that I don't recognize that from a moral standpoint, they take the highground.

The Legion certainly isn't "good," just as the Enclave isn't "good". What they have to offer in spite of their questionable moralities is another matter however.

Unfortunately for the Legion, I see nothing they can offer that makes me want to support them in the slightest. Aside from attacking the NCR of course.

Each faction has it's own little forum troop of supporters, so there is no need to convert other people or show them who's right.
Everyone has their own belief, their own philosophy and you can't do anything to prove them wrong, because at the end of the day..
whatever that person thinks is what they believe is right. Giving them guidance is all you can do to slightly move them to your beliefs.

But even then that only works to a degree. And anyway, onto to the point of NCR supporters- the majority of people on these forums are american, I'll wager.
The typical human will side with something that they relate to, thus if I might be so bold to say that the 'ordinary' american forum member will find the NCR more relatable.
For the faction parallels quite well with the current United States government, in some ways. Other factional supporters would generally have differing views to their generation.

Unless of course that person happened to be a roleplayer, but that is a whole different subject entirely. The point is... you shouldn't be that annoyed or saddened by this.
People who support the odd faction out will normally have a very unique viewpoint on things. And a balanced discussion is always better than a one sided discussion, I'd say.


Anyway I think I've rambled on enough. Take from this what you will, it does not matter to me so much.

Found the statement too harsh.

Funnily enough, I do try to hold balanced discussions. I can see the good in what the Legion does, but pragmatically, I dont see it as worth how much bad they've caused to achieve their idea of good.

This guy is clearly joking...
People spend these threads arguing and shouting and generally just making loud noises.

Don't call me an idiot.
It's not nice.

Let me rephrase this. Anyone who thinks the Legion is unarguably the good guy and they dont believe the faction is good in just their personal opinion.

Thats better.

Atleast the NCR are smart enough not to charge at snipers while using melee weapons...

LOUD NOISES!!!!

Anchorman is a funny movie.

"60% of the time, it works every time."

The real villans are the fiends. Kill them all.