They steal people's money.

They boss everyone around.

People have no control over their property.

Brotherhood and Legion > NCR

I don't think there is really a bad guy in New Vegas, certainly not in the classic sense. The NCR do impose taxes on people and their reach does exceed their grasp, but they are trying to bring peace and order to the Mojave. The Legion is full of slavers and misogynistic hypocrites, but they do make the roads much safer. Mr. House is a seemingly soulless part-human who wants to make the world in his image, but he's also a genius and the founder of Robco. The Independent path is full of uncertainty and overwhelming challenges, but it's also the choice that gives the most freedom to the people of the Mojave.

New Vegas isn't black and white, which is exactly why I love it so much.

Maybe but still NCR sounds even more of oppression compared to the Legion. Caesar is peaceful and brings civilization.

Caesar brings desolation and calls it peace.

House in a nutshell.

Trolling, much? Caesar isn't peaceful at all, in fact he's quite the opposite. Charismatic yes, but nice? pfffft LOL! comparing what NCR does and what the Legion does, I'm beginning to question your perspective on life. He doesn't bring civilization, all he did was merge every tribe under one banner. In the long run, just as Ulysses spoke of, it will all come crashing down. No hope in the Bull or Bear (even though technically the Bear does have hope seeing as if Kimball dies or resigns from office, with Oliver as well, the Bear has a better chance of surviving and becoming a better nation, which is what the canon ending for New Vegas is).

I love how you said Brotherhood when the Brotherhood are what you exactly said. They take people's chances to evolve or to defend themselves with Energy Weapons, or Armor, hassle them, and force them to live without defense. Lovely people huh?

Caesar brings savage tribal ineptitude and calls it civilization. His shunning of technology is moronic.

Also he certainly isn't peaceful when the entirety of his state revolves around his war machine and the conquest of other tribes/nations. You'd think a Legion supporter would recognize that.

Legion raids NCR caravans, and the BoS raids tech caravans.


Sounds like Legion to me.


Sounds like Legion to me.




But seeing as the NCR doesnt butcher three in game towns, Im going to have to feel that Legion are more villianous than NCR. Not that I support either, but still.

Edit @ Legend- I will beat you >:(

In the Legion ending, it said that there is a civilization and that he is peaceful. Argument invalid.

Nice lie bro. Says something akin to 'he marches into The Strip and enslaves most of them, and the few left were lorded over peacefully.

Also, friendly tip: Everyone but Caesar is a slave under the law of the land of Caesar.

"Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph. The Legion pushed the NCR out of New Vegas entirely, driving them back to the Mojave Outpost. The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave Wasteland."

Civilization has many different definitions, so does peace.

"Were it so easy...."

*Shakes fist while body is unseen behind a swivle chair* I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME LEGEND! NEEEEXXXTTTT TIIIIMMEEE! >: (

NCR is corrupt and full of greed. Legion is not. The Legion'#s areas are safer than the others. FACT.

Well that's a terrible counter-point if I ever heard one. Nothing withstanding the fact that the use of the word "civilization coming finally coming to the Mojave" is completely biased towards Caesar in the first place. My version (and the version of the majority of the people in the Mojave) of civilization doesn't include being tribal luddites.

"Well the end slides gave me an opinion on the situation and so it must be true!"



Right...and Caesar's hunger for more wealth and land which is just as voracious as the NCR's doesn't count as "greed?"

Are you even trying.... :slap:

@Andronicus- Don't waste your time, I'm getting the feeling this is a troll thread, he doesnt respond to anything, just says one sentence of bias and people rabble at it. :batman:

Awwww man.

*sticks hands in pockets and kicks a tin can nearby*

Fooy! I was just getting started on debating him into oblivion to. :sadvaultboy:

*Quickly flees before the walls of eloquent debate begin. :cryvaultboy:

You guys are mad.. The Legion is an example of how people should treat each other: have a purpose or GTFO. That's how it should be. I can't help it that you cannot see the truth.

I'm not mad personally, I just don't see a point in wasting my time when you make no real attempt at actual debat, just 'LOLMYOPINIONISFACT'

I think House is the way to go personally. :shrug:

Remember taxing people by taking their money is evil and tyrannical.

Taking taxes in the form of countless human beings to fuel your war machine is perfectly fine.

"FOOL! Monumental hubris blinding you to the truths I speak!"

No they aren't.

Cheers to that.



"Oh lordy lordy, isn't there some good man out there who can free us from these government taxes by killing and enslaving those in his wake!"

NCR + Brotherhood + Boomers + Great Khans > Forever Alone Legion

NCR has the power of friendship.