Do i need to explain this from 0 ?

And everybody has his opinion.

It did, but if F4 is set after F:NV, as we expect, then around 100 years have passed since Fallout Tactics. More than enough time to repair or rebuild their airship to continue their original mission of travelling East to destroy any remaining super mutant threat.

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The MIdwestern BOS are as far as I know the only known faction to use airships, that may of course change in Fallout 4.

not impossible to see people and equipment from the ncr even if its deserters. vertibirds have a nuclear fission core so it will do that distance also if someone wanted to the could walk from california to boston in 5-6 weeks a few months if there was problems along the way hoping to see the BOS i think they are going to be the bad guys in the story i agree with the airship comment we dont know that they are for one dose look more military than the other

Alright i'il explain my position here (don't have the strenght anymore to anwser)

My position number one: The communications and the Primm problem

Mojave Outpost: Has a ton of soldiers passing it every week use these soldiers (recruits as you say) to clear or patrol the roads and communications but what does the NCR do?

Right sending them to god knows where for god knows what reason.So you need to clean their '''''.

Primm :Coordinate youre actions with local residents (who are well armed) to take back the town.

What does the NCR do ? Wait for some magical bull''''.

My position number two: New vegas

You have lots of drunken soldiers running around so reorganise and take over power while the securitrons are still weak and are armed pretty badly.

What does the ncr do ? Sit on their asses all day long and say how hopeless they are.(instead of trying to do something about it)

My position number three: Corruption and blindness

The generals in California must know what is happening because they send troops in the end of the game,so why didn't they do something about all these other problems that they have ? Instead of saying how hopeless they are and that everything is lost.

Why is nobody trying to win this ? Why can't they control there own soldiers ? Why not do it like in WW2 with firing squads for deserters and traitors to keep up the discipline?

And now let the comment storm begin !

The Midwestern BoS are only from the main airship. The rest got seperated and went somewhere else (possibly back to California), hence the backwardsness. Notice the storm, it's what made the main ship crash.

I'm a fan of Tactics so I knew that................. Tactics.

Looking again at the Fallout Tactics artwork all three L9 airships (WW1 german strangely) are being flown backwards, the smaller 'airships' tied to the main bodies of the three airships appear to be a cross between an airship and a rocket for populsion, the nearest one has five rockets tied to it, you can tell the airships are flying backwards because the rear fins are at the front and the gondolas are facing backwards rathe than in the direction of travel.

The rest seem to be a chinook with a rocket in the passenger compartment, a couple of WW2 japanese float seaplanes, a small civilian plane and I think a space shuttle.

While this is offical Fallout Tactics art work, i'm a little doubtful that the picture is actually canon.

Agreed, Think of a world where everyone though the same...

Pass the cyanide to me, please.

Because they are locked in a stalemate with the Legion.
They have a lot of people, but not enough to push the Legion back, and higher ups back in the NCR are reluctant to send more troops.
This is why you see people drinking themselves away on the strip. It is the only thing to do, other than sit in a quagmire.
The overall morale is low, because at best, they are spinning their wheels in skirmishes with the Legion.

I think that looking at this from a WWII perspective is wrong. Look at it more like Vietnam, where the War is not popular back home (so they won't send the numbers needed to just sweep the region), and once troops are in NV, they're like, "Why are we here?"
also, because it cannot be a full out destructive assault, like you would see in WWII. They hope to utilize power from the Hoover, and possibly bring NV into the fold of the NCR. They can't just have a full out War, destroying everything.

Ths isn't an opinion, you're just wrong. How about you actually play the game first. Then come back here.

I'll repost this rather than just re writing something similar

True we don't know if it is canon or not but the "high level events" of Tactics have been said to be canon by Bethesda. We also have references in Fallout 3 and another possible one in New Vegas to Brotherhood of Steel being in Chicago and Colorado... sounds a lot like the Midwestern Brotherhood. And if Fallout 4 doesn't mention Tactics and it's events, there being an airship in the trailer for Fallout 4 puts an end to the debate about "is it possible for the Brotherhood of Steel to have built airships." If some group on the East Coast could, why couldn't the Brotherhood?

I am not sure the direction the ships are travelling in the pictures matter much. I would assume they were lost, we see the crashed one in Osceolla. Anyways hopefully we will fine out.

As for the topic at hand I doubt we will see NCR in the game. But that doesn't rule out any possible mentions of it.

Woah...some intense discussions going on. All of you need NCR.

Oh really ?

Maybe i just have my own opinion , that diffrence to that of you ?

No. You don't have an opinion. You're just wrong. You claim that the NCR has no officers leading them. That is not an opinion. That is wrong. If you played the game you would know there are officers.

My point about the facing of the rockets is they are tied so that the airship (ww1 design) is facing backwards which would make it difficult to steer and the crew wouldn't be able to see where they were going, i'm guessing that is just the artist using a picture of a WW1 airship without looking in to it much.

My reasoning that the picture isn't canon is simply the chinook (fairly modern design helicopter), the use of WW1 German airships (L9) and the space shuttle, so I put this down to an concept artist being given free reign to visualise the BOS travelling east rather than an attempt to be accurate to the lore.

Well anyway, we know that airships are in Fallout 4, along with vertibirds which seem to be escorting or travelling with the airship so I've got hopes that well see Midwestern BOS in the game.

Do you not realize that your opinion is null against facts of the game and situation these facts stem from? It's like saying the planets revolve around the sun is just an opinion, when it's a fact. But the fact is, you've either never played NV, or just completely ignored what people were saying in it. Because honestly, you can't say the things you have without having either not played the game, or ignored what people in the game have said.

Read the Fallout wiki if need be, or better yet, just play the game.

Ah that's what i like about people like you,thinking you are the only with the "right" opinion.

To everybody else who has an diffrent point of view you think that they are wrong and haven't played the game.

But i must dissapoint you my "no opinion" friend i have played the game and i was even playing it yesterday (LVL 25) so yes i have played the game.

I think everybody here needs to take a step back and relax. Maybe go spend 40 years arguing in a Skyrim civil war thread.

We're piling too heavily on M House over something really dumb.

Oh look another "no opinion" guy who thinks i haven't played the game.

Well it's MY OPINION OF THINGS AND NOT YOURS.

So you can think watever you want but there are plot holes in the ncr storyline (i think that and i have given you exampels of it)

TBH, this is the last I will post in this thread, but what people keep trying to tell you is that it is in the game that the NCR is mired down, and has low morale. It isn't an opinion. It's what we are given in the game and isn't open for interpretation. It is on the nose. Written on the Wall. It can be "taken to the bank". If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Plan as the nose on your face. Crystal Clear. Green, or even Super Green...and other such euphemisms..

Well as stated, your opinion is wrong, you're ignoring the facts and acting like you're some armchair general who understands military tactics and logistics, which is obvious by your wrong opinion, that you don't. The facts are what people have been telling you this whole entire time, which you've been ignoring, not opinions about the NCR story and situation in the Mojave. The facts are counter to your opinion, thus your opinion is wrong and nullified.

Listen guys i want to have a civilised discussion, also i think that we missundertstood each other.

I don't denie the fact that the ncr has low morale etc .... But the questionable choices and stupid quests (that they could do without me) from the ncr questline is the thing that i have a problem with.

And that the people here seem to ignore.

I take it you haven't done "Youll Know it When It Happens"

Those were from the Enclave Remnants not from the ncr .