NCR in Fallout 4

Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:45 pm

They have Vertibirds. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bear_Force_One. They have technicians who know how to work on them. We also see more NCR vertibirds at the end of Lonesome Road if you go into Long 15 area.

As for why they don't Bomb Mr. House. Because they want to make nice with Mr. House.

Why they don't Bomb the Legion. Because the Legion will just go underground, or shoot down the Vertibirds and or sabotage them like they try to do with Kimball's Vertibird. Also the fuel and such would be insanely expensive and the NCR isn't out to fight an all out war againt the Legion in New Vegas they are simply trying to contain the Legion. NCR's attention an money are going to other places such as the Boneyard back in California (what used to be LA).

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Samantha Wood
 
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:21 pm

No, the NCR has a vertibird personally used for President Kimball. Again, did you do the quest?

The Remnants vertibird is completely different. It's used in the final battle.

They have some in their possession, but for special use.

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Mason Nevitt
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:03 am

Bear Force One is President Kimball's vertibird?
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:20 pm

Sorry never played Lonesome Road.

But i'm tired of telling people my point of view on things (no offence i respect your point of view) especially when some people start to offend me of never playing the game or that i don't know the story

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:00 pm

No, the quest is part of the regular game, not Lonesome Road.

It's no big deal, no need to get worried about it. Sometimes the specifics get past us. The difference is, if you don't have a grasp on them you shouldn't assert knowledge.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:20 pm

Oh you mean that quest where you need to assasinate him ?

Sorry didn't remember the name of it what was the name of that enclave quest then ?

Edit:alright i will shut up now :)

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:27 pm

For Auld Lang Syne.

And it can be to assassinate him, if you're with the Legion. The more common variant of the quest is the one in which you protect him from Legion assassins.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:12 pm

I believe there was a quest from Yes man that you could assasinate him to.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:27 pm

The NCR President arrives at the dam in a virtibird and if he survives leaves in it.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:39 pm

I think the fact got more than appropriately fact-checked, back on topic....

Mention of the NCR from a traveler is probably the best Bethesda can do when it comes to them having a presence in this game. There's no way they would be in Boston as a faction. Perhaps a deserter on a long journey East? I doubt that too, though.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:36 pm

Yeah but if you blow his speech podium up he will fly like an eagle.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:20 pm

Ya, even if it is possible to have them in game, via a damned good explanation (and it would have to be GOOD), it would be a waste.
Any story involving them coming that far east should originate in a game focused on the West Coast.

Now there's an idea for a FO spin-off. A Post-Apoc Oregon Trail, in reverse.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:18 am

Depends on which faction you side with whether you are the assassin or you try to kill the assassin.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:42 am

I'm sure there'd be some people like my usual player characters out there who want to travel constantly across the post-nuclear world. Its not impossible that a wisened desert ranger-type could have travelled all across the western and eastern wastelands. But for the NCR to actually have a military presence? The NCR isnt a faction that makes diverse chapters across regions or is constantly on the run like the BoS and Enclave. The NCR is a complete nation state, much in the vein of the pre-war US. If the NCR were to travel to Boston it would be rangers scouting the region for annexation into the republic - and they would have had to conquered all of the areas inbetween Shady Sands and Boston, and frankly I just don't see a empire like that arising in the Falloutverse. Its been a very heavy theme throughout the series that the idea of empire isnt really a great idea at all. If we ever see the NCR again, I would expect them to either be completely fallen apart and a shadow of its former glory, or locked in a WW1 style conflict with the Legion or any other factions that has turned into a stalemate that is draining both sides of hundreds of thousands of lives.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:29 pm

It seems that someday the NCR's goal is to expand East. But as we see in New Vegas that expansion has stalled, possibly indefinitely.

Unlike when America expanded West in the days of the Pioneers. There is no disease to wipe out the bulk of the indigenous populations of the Central United States. So the NCR is going to have a hell of a time making their way to the East Coast. If they ever really get the support for it.

I can see the California Republic just staying on the West Coast. Other nations forming in the Southwestern United States and many in the Central. Several nations that will develope, war with one another and then destroy themselves. And the cycle starts over again. But I doubt we will get to see Fallout advance that far.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:13 pm

I want Seattle. I was very excited for FO: Online because of that. Also, NCR could have had a presence there. Geographically, it makes some sense.

Regardless, Boston's what we're going to have for foreseeable future. A future without the NCR and hopefully lacking the Brotherhood as a primary faction as well.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:42 pm

Didn't know ncr had so much citizens.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:43 pm

Im not exactly sure on the population numbers, remember that a lot of stuff is abstracted in the game world because of technology and development constraints. The NCR may have so many NCR Trooper NPCs in the Mojave, but I doubt thats how much its supposed to be in the lore.

I think I heard somewhere that it was around a few hundred thousand, but I can't quite remember where that was so sorry. The NCRs territory is a big place though, and with population growth from 200+ years after the war I think they'd have a hefty amount of bodies to throw into the army at this point.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:53 am

Fallout 2 states the NCR's population as being 700,000 people and that was 2241. The NCR had yet to take over Northern California and Parts of Northern Nevada at that time. By the time of New Vegas some 40 years later the NCR had taken over all of California, Into Baja Mexico, Southern Oregon and into Northern and Southern Nevada. The debate goes on about how many people they would have by 2281 but I would guess in the couple of million people.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:53 pm

I think that the fallout bible says that the biggest settlement in ncr territory has like 1000 people living in it.

Edit : no i was wrong it was Caesar that tells you that, in his dialogue about the legion . It's not Ncr but the legion.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:15 pm

Indeed. For actually spreading their nation state, even as far as the Mississippi, it would be generations down the road, if at all- and that is a big IF.

I'm just saying that if it were to be done, it's would be a waste of a great story, simply having them on the east coast for F4.

And the Oregon Trail type idea. I'm not even really thinking the NCR proper. Just say a group of pioneers, wanting to make a go of it- and def as a psin-off.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:32 pm

Not to mention that if Bethesda continues with "The War happened last week" look for Fallout 4... the idea of anyone from NCR making their way there from the NCR and saying "this looks like a great place to settle" would be insane concept to me. My guess would be that they would come across a place like the Pitt and turn the hell around. But even the Pitt is long way from the NCR.

We could also go with the harsh conditions described in Tactics, areas such as The Belt. They would see how well they have it in California.

We also have to look at some of the big factors in why people went West in the old days... Land and Gold. There should be tons of land in the NCR now, more then enough to go around. So why go East for more wasteland? Gold, I guess something like gold could be discovered further out East from the NCR to drive people to leave, but I doubt it.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:40 am

Yeah, it's possible for a group to travel all the way from one coast to the other but, IMO, having an NCR presence on the east coast would be pants-on-head stupid for reasons that have already been stated. We already went through this with the Enclave and The Brotherhood of Steel just showing up in the Capital Wasteland; I'd rather just have new factions, characters, and stories to contend with. The NCR, like the Enclave and the Brotherhood of Steel, is ground that has already been traversed and would be better served by a New Vegas sequel simply due to geographic location.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:12 pm

Look, could the NCR send a small expedition to the East Coast? Of course they could. Could the Legion? Yes, to that also.

Could either send an expedition to the East Coast large enough to be a significant presence? They probably could, but they have every reason not to and no reason to do so, at least not while they are trying to consolidate power on the West Coast.

Well, the Brotherhood did it, why wouldn't the NCR or Legion do it? The Brotherhood of Steel has its back to the wall. They are losing, and if they lose, they lose everything. It may take years, even a few generations, but if they don't change the tide, they will wind up as a footnote in some dusty unread history book. And they know this. Sending an expediton East (actually two, but that is another story) makes a lot of sense. First, it ensures the Brotherhoods survival even if the West Coast falls. Second, there is a good chance that the expedition can get some weapons and other technology that will allow them to stave off defeat in the West. I will be the West Coast Elder's had a four hour long orgism when told about Liberty Prime. Obviously, things didn't work out as planned. It is also a sure bet that the West Coast Brotherhood wasn't paying attention when the canon ending of Fallout was revealed, because if they were, they would know all these expeditions were unneeded. They are going to survive (just not as they are).

Both the Legion and the NCR believe that if they just hold on long enough, the other side will fold. They both know they are in a weak position, but if they hold firm they can win. Sending a large force East will only weaken them, so that just isn't going happen. The risk is much too great for an unknown reward. There are not going to be any big expeditions for quite some time.

That leaves small expeditions. It is entirely possible for a small group of rangers or frumentarii to make it to the East Coast, but what would be the point? I am not asking for a Legion or NCR justification but a BGS justification. The only reason for Bethesda Game Studios to equip and man an expedtion to the East Coast is to tell us what the canon ending of Fallout NV is. This would pretty much straightjacket any future game written to take place on the West Coast. Fallout: Seattle (or whatever) would not be able to develop the history of the West Coast because it would have been done before development had started. It would actually make such a game LESS fun, because the whole "discover of what went on before" part would be missing.

Let Fallout 4 give us canon information on Fallout 3. Let Fallout: Seattle (or whatever) give us canon information on Fallout: NV.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:32 pm

aside from resources or tech advancements, I could see people moving away from the NCR, if it gets to be too big and/or oppressive.
Not saying there is anything substantiating that now, but time can change a lot of things.
It would be nice to have, say the next obsidian fallout* to show more of what is happening back in the NCR proper.

*if they get the chance
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