NCR in Fallout 4

Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:34 pm

You should really pay more attention to what's said and happening in NV. The Securitron's did not have pistols, they had submachine guns attached to their arms. And if you speak with the NCR commander outside of Primm, he tells you plainly, that the NCR is stretched too thin to supply him with extra troops, thus not allowing him to retake Primm, unless the Courier can convince the commander at Mojave Outpost to allocate some troops. A lot of NCR commanders tell you this throughout the wasteland, that they can't properly defend what territory they do own, because their forces are ill trained and spread too thin to react to any intrusion by legionaries crossing the Colorado river, or other factions who aren't friends to the NCR. Also, the NCR has no contact with the citizens of Primm, they're all hiding in a casino, so how they would coordinate anything is beyond me.

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Yvonne Gruening
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:35 am

1.The Securitrons are a weak enemy(i can kill them with bras knuckels and the NCR can't with machine guns)

2.Primm: Their main base of operation is like 20 meters from the casino and they can't coordinate?(wow they are really lasy)

3.Coordinate by sending 1 soldier or officer to them to negotiate (in the night)

4.Mojave Outpost can also use their soldiers to clear the path from ants. (but yeah they are lasy and nobody seems to give a ''''')

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:45 pm

There's probably already something like that. Fallout 3 had Jet, and Tales of a Junktown Jerky Vendor (which being a reference to a Fallout 1 settlement would likely have come from the West), and New Vegas had the Wasteland Survival Guide only four years after Fallout 3. There seems to already be steady trade going on between the two sides of the country.

I'm half expecting Joshua Graham to be tacked onto whatever Bethesda has planned for that post-apocalyptic religious order that one lady from Point Lookout was apart of. Wouldn't that be something?

In all seriousness hopefully there won't be any New Vegas characters, or factions, in Fallout 4. I can't think of a reason any of them would want to travel to Boston. Except maybe the Western Brotherhood of Steel.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:40 pm

Doubt it, hope not. I can see maybe an old desert ranger made his way maybe blah blah. Barely survived etc type deal.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:49 pm

1. You have to take into consideration what's in the game, and what's not. In the Lore, Securitrons are known to be strong and hearty robots, who are dangerous and can kill easily. In the game, if you're a low level, they can easily kill you. Your example is null to the facts of their lore.

2/3. How are they supposed to coordinate, when none of them are willing to risk their lives, and are likely to be going back and forth, only to be caught one of those times? Not to mention, to even get into the casino, the Courier has to kill the raiders outside, guarding the doors to the casino.

4. And it's the Courier who is tasked with clearing the ants, because again, the NCR has no troops to reallocate, they're busy defending what positions they have further on the frontline, and troops passing through the Mojave Outpost are sent straight through to their intended post.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:55 pm

I highly doubt we'd see NCR in Boston, it's way too far from California.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:47 pm

1.uuuuuhhhhhh so ncr soldiers are weak to (even with more men and ammo)

2.20 metres in the night (maybe with some distraction moves, they are soldiers for god's sake)

4.Becaus again nobody (even the high command) is giving a ''''' but for some reason they know that their communications are falling apart but they still do nothing (lazy lazy ncr)

Edit : They can use those troops that travel every day through the outpost to secure their communications but again nobody gives a ''''''

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:43 pm

I'm aware of those skill books, but I was referring to something more established, like meeting actual merchants that have traveled all the way from West Coast and hearing their tales of how long it took and how dangerous it was.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:14 pm

1. NCR troopers are poorly trained. This has been explained to you on more than one occasion, yet you just ignore that fact. They also have low moral. Who, with bad training and low moral, is going to go up against cold hearted robots with machine-guns? And again, they don't have the men to gather. They're spread too thin along the frontline with Caesar's Legion. Reallocating troops to fight some robots, would just create larger holes in their lines, for Caesar's Legion to flood through and wipe them out.

2/3. They're again, poorly trained soldiers with low moral. This cannot be stressed enough, and you should realize this. They're not fresh recruits, eager and anxious to get into a fight and save people. They're depressed, ill trained and just want to go home.

4. Again, poor moral. It's not just the regular NCR trooper who suffers from it. Some NCR commanders do too, but are more often just cynical to the reality they face. They know their systems and structures are falling apart in the Mojave, which is why they just hunker down in their forts and bases, but it's the President and others in California who aren't there, that keep pushing for things to happen, because they're blind and ignorant to the reality and facts happening there.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:06 pm

These are all reasons why i don't want such a '''''' faction in F4.

Luckilly i destroyed them with Caesar's Legion.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:11 pm


Lots of their soldiers are draftee kids who don't even wanna be in the army, they aren't gonna risk their lives unless ordered to do so, but even then you got a bunch of guys ditching the army.

There's a reason Why a bunch of guys wearing football pads and using machetes are kicking the asses of a bunch of assault rifle equipped soldiers.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:01 pm

1. I will repeat myself if they organised their troops there would be no problem (but yeah nobody gives a ''''')

2/3.I can agree with this in a certain way but don't they have any expierinced troops in their ranks ? (not counting the rangers) or is the whole ncr army made of recruits ?

4.Agree with this one but if they are so blind why do they send heavy troopers on the end of the game ? They must know what's happening or is it just magical ''''''''''.

Edit: another thing,why do they let you do all their work instead of doing it themselfs.

So the courier can make things change but the high command can't (that's some ''''''' up logic)

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:08 pm

So all their soldiers are recruits ? (what a useless army)

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:13 am

The high command doesn't care? I thought they made that pretty obvious.

I'm not defending ncr, but there is a reason they can't beat the legion, Yeah their army isn't that good.

They got heavy troopers and such, but most of them are back home defending the important places, the Mojave is a fringe front that most ncr citizens don't care about.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:22 pm

(facepalm)Why are they even in the game then ?

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:57 pm

Umm.. because they are a surviving faction that's barely trying to hold on without falling apart.
They're in the game to give player choices, do they want to help the army that wants to achieve good things, but doesn't care who they bowl over and sacrifice to do it?

Why shouldn't they be in new Vegas? Seems like a pretty dumb question.

Why have any factions at all, Why not just make it a full on hiking simulator?
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:07 am

Defending them from what ? Bandits with hunting rifles?

I don't like them becaus there is totally no logic in their actions.

And as i said before they are lazy and incompettent so i would rather have no NCR anymore in the next game.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:54 pm

Because they don't care about what they are fighting for.

Replace Ncr in NV with the enclave remnants even they have more logic in their actions than the NCR.

Other factions have good reasons and they have logic in their actions,unlike the NCR.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:44 pm

Exactly, they are lazy and incompetent, just like the game meant to portray to you. I don't want them in the next game either.

Their decisions seem to make no sense because of all the levels of beaurocracy and corruption in their widespread government, and the amount of people running the show. They're basically the epidimy of the worst aspects democracy has to offer, which caesar elaborates on. It shows that with too many people in charge and too many levels of beauracracy is inefficient and ineffective, hurting only the little guy in the process.

Just like the legion is the epidimy of the worst communism has to offer.

I can tell you that lots of decisions the Canadian government make don't make sense, like there's no rhyme or reason, because people don't think like a hive mind in real life, and the government is huge, there are tons of people in government with opposing points of view.

These are well thought out factions, not one dimensional talon company mercs that are just evil because they're bad guys.
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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:01 pm

That

Was

A

Joke.

what part of "I can see them adding in a Dark brotherhood that decended from the Nigh watchmen union" did you not realise was a joke?

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:28 pm

You don't get it.

How much does a vertibird cost? How many vertibirds can you produce in six months. How much does it take to train and equip a soldier? How many trained and equipped soldiers can you produce in six months. What are the maintenance costs for each. How many vertibirds do you need for continuous operations? How many soldiers do you need for continuous operations. Where are they needed most? Those questions among others make up the mathematics of war.

When a person puts on a uniform, they cease to be a person and become an expendable asset, one of the cheapest expendable assets on the battlefield (and therefor, the most expendable). It doesn't matter if the soldier likes it, It doesn't matter if you like it. That is just the way it is. That is how it has always been. That is how it always will be. (Cue Ron Perlman).

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:20 pm

2 rockets into caesars and the legates camp can be enough.

But they already have vertibirds and i think that in the timeline between F2 and FNV they could have trained some pilots and gunners.

Unless they are lazy and that wouldn't surprise me.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:24 pm

Maybe it's just that the NCR in this game isn't very well written?

When i listen to you guys about corruption,and beauracracy.

Why don't they even try, to win this (or did they knew that the courier is going to help them) and why do they give you quests instead of doing it themselfs(and they can do it)

Or is everybody in the NCR corrupt and incompetent ?

PS: As a Russian didn't agree with the communist part but that's another question :)

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:41 pm

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/border/intlprotocol/embassies/

Note that Texas has consltates from Ethiopia and Equatorial Guinea ....

It is possible that over time they did send people East just to see just what the hell was over here. That said it would probably not be anything high profile.

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Post » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:37 pm

1. And I will repeat myself. There are not enough troops to organize, without Caesar's Legion taking advantage of the large gaps in their already holed frontline, to gather. The NCR wants to fight this war on the cheap, so they're not putting everything they have into the Mojave.

2/3. It's a draft army for the most part. A lot of them didn't volunteer. But regardless of that, as you've been told before, the NCR wants to fight this war on the cheap, which means they're not throwing their best at the Mojave.

4. They don't know what's really going on, it obvious by what some of the NCR troops say, and their commanders. Honestly, you should pay more attention to what they're saying, it would all be understood. You seem like you never payed much attention to the NCR, or what was happening enough in the world, to understand the conflict between the NCR and Caesar's Legion.

And they task you with doing their work for them, because it's a game, and they're quest givers. Simple.

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