Frankly i dont think the NCRs combat armour would hold long against the chainsaw. And the legion centurions train ALOT more with melle weapons so you can bet they will kill the ranger with absolutly no mistakes made. Close quarters-Centurion

Wow that video just showed how biased the game is towards the NCR, Centurions should have owned them at that range, Centurions should have something like the Ranger Toughness perk that rangers have, but even moreso, like +50% DT, +50% Run speed, and +15% Melee damage. Centurions should also be at least level 25 like the Rangers are.

The devs wouldn't have given the Vet rangers more ingame health, dt, gun skill, combat effectiveness and a spot on the games cover if they thought a psychopath murderer in a patchwork armor wielding a thermal lance (seriously what is a thermic lance?) would be able to take them down.
I'd give it to the ranger because they to be the ones the devs favour

It isnt fair, the Centurions are way more experienced than the Vet, they have killed hundreds of enemy combatants and fought in countless campaigns, each of them, just for the chance of becoming a Centurion.

Just because theres no specific indication ingame doesn't mean the Vet hasn't killed his fair share of legionnairies.
Also a higher bodycount in no way means better warrior, the Centurions are mostly fighting tribals who know nothing about warfare whereas the Ranger Vets are fighters, esspionage specialists and apparently the best sharpshooters in the Mojave. I would say the Centurionsa higher bodycount can be attributed to them mostly being psychopathic brutes.

Who have the Vets fought, most difficult would be i guess the BoS, now look at the Centurion armor, its made of the armor of its vanquished armor, look at the arm, power armor, Centurions fought BoS, now look at the shin and knee guards, combat armor, the waist and right hand glove, NCR Ranger amor, the chestpiece and helmet, Super Mutant Armor, centurions fought unity soldiers. "psychopathic brutes"? No. Veterans, a level of veteran-ocity that makes NCR Vet rangers look like recruits.

Well i can see your point and i suppose the Centurions have fought BoS, muties etc. But the fact is you have no evidence (neither do i) that the Vet rangers havn't fought equal or greater foes. I'm sure the centurions have a higher bodycount but to be honest thats mostly because they live in a situation where they can kill and are encouraged to kill people left and right. I'm sure they have killed Bos and muties but theres no evidence that says most of thier 'thousands' of kills weren't innocent civilians or weak tribals.

Chief Hanlon himself said "Centurions have no real NCR equivalent." He once had his Black Armor.

Hm, to be honest the impression i got of the centurions was that they were arrogant savages who thought that just because they had [censored] and killed a few hundred tribals they were the creme de la creme
The way i see it the better soldier in this case may not be the one who kills the most, the better soldier might be the one who does not have to kill because he/she understands killing is not nessecary. Thats not to say i think the NCR is made up of flowerchildren hippies. (leave that to the FotA)
Another thing i would take into account in this hypothetical matching is the rangers proven covert operations experience and ability to work without orders improvising with the situation. I think it would be unwise to underestimate the Rangers ability to go unseen or at least think creatively in tense situations.

Assuming that the centurion and ranger were placed closely together when it began, the centurion would obviosuly win. But saying that the ranger would win just because he'd sneak up and snipe the centurion isn't fair at all. Then you could just say the centurion would sneak up and decapitate the ranger.

centurions dont take orders either, they give them.

that video only proves how bias the devs are.
and did you see the centurions that kept on looking at the ground? FAIL

so sometimes that doesnt proove to be jack [censored].

Exaclty you cant judge somone because they got like 100's of kills. OOOOOOOO arent they special. A good warrior is the one that isnt afraid to fight and doesnt matter how many he/she gets as long as the job gets done. They never even state that The centurions have these tons of kills at all. You dont know the NCR vet could have twice as many as the Centurion.

All Centurions have to kill hundreds in battle, killing warriors not peasants, and be in many campaigns before they qualify to become Centurions. So yes, they are special.

Ummm not really someone can kill one person and be worshiped as a god. Did Ceaser kill hundreds of men??? I'm pretty sure the VETS killed hundreds to,to get to the spot they are now. Plus just because they got hundreds of kills doesn't mean that they are special.

So ranger vets arent special either.

Nope in that essence they arent. But they are both UNIQUE in everyday. They both have there Weakness and Strengths.

They are both special, but let me ask you this, care to comment on the Legions view of human life, how careless it is with the life of its non-veteran troops? Just surviving being canon fodder for over a decade would be impressive, but these guys went above and beyond, killing hundreds of enemies and pushing forwards with every attack, earning the right to be called a Centurion.

(You know, a Centurion is only level 12)
But, I have killed 20 (maybe more) of these great "hundred killing" men called Centurions. (If there were more Centurions in the the wastes, I would have killed about 100 of them)
I have killed 30 (maybe more) of the great "hundred killing" men called Veteran Rangers. (I just started killing Veteran Rangers in Camp Golf, but that House Resort is still a challenge.
I have killed thousands of warriors, therefore, I earn the right to be called the Legendary Courier.
I am Superior to these weaklings called Centurions and Veteran Rangers, because I'm............the Legendary Courier.
(I'm level 34)
(I can 1-2 hit kill a deathclaw from long range)
But, but, the Centurion and Veteran Rangers can be Superior to other weaklings like Fiends, Vipers, and the "Legendary" Great Khans.
(I think I have made a good drama speech above, all non-dramatic related words are in parentheses)

Straw man argument.




..............This is just silly. The courier or in-game statistics should never be a factor in these types of arguments.

I went in that resort with my preatorian armor and my ballistic fists and slaughtered those vets like cattle.
but yes it was a very challenging and intense battle

I've just finished recording some of the results.

So far I've also added marksman carbine to the centurions and more super sledges.

However, should I get rid of the brush gun from the vets? Some have said it's overpowered but it's in a rangers inventory by default.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmr5e6Nwmyk

lloolll

can you try to make the centurions actually try.
no more of the "ooh piece of candy" stuff they were doing in the last video

hm.. that would be hard. i don't know what combat style they use. all i do is player.placeatme then centurion id.

yes sometimes they look down lol

i'm trying different locations to see what happens.