Depends completely on the setting.

Try making these two characters in game; I actually have. For the final battle at Hoover Dam, my NCR sniper can fight through the dam no problem, but the final fight against the Legate and the Praetorians is damn near impossible if you stick to the NCR fighting style. On the other hand, a Centurion struggles through the long, tunnel-like fight on the damn but can finish off close-quarters combat with a hand tied behind his back. I mean, look at the tactics used in the fight by the Legion; they don't just charge out after the NCR, they hide in doorways and around corners and jump out whenever the NCR troops close the gap between themselves and the Legion troops. The Legion definitely seems more sneaky and strategic than the average NCR trooper, though the NCR has the advantage as long as there is that gap. So yeah, it could go either way; simply depends on the setting.

maybe we should call the guys from deadliest warrior :wink_smile:

see thats the only way the Legion gets them if they get a jump on them. The centurions could easily take out a Trooper. But if they caught the VET off gaurd he would probably do a ranger takedown. Then preceed to bring out his ranger sequia and put its barrel to his head while he is laying on the floor for mercey and the VET would say "You Feeling Lucky Punk."

Right, so centurions are basically useless in every single aspect of combat, and the veteran rangers are pretty much demi-gods?



Then there's also their armor:



Don't worry, I'm well aware of the high elite status that a veteran carries, but all I'm saying is that you shouldn't underestimate a centurion.

Seeing that alot of the Centurions have AMR's I'de say they could have a 50/50 fight.

I don't know nor care who would win.

Dude the Vet has way more health than that excuse for a soldier Centurion. Also the VETs are elite and trained very hard. They have skills in almost anything. The centurion is just a battle commander in that aspect. Usually Commanders dont go full force into the Battle. Thats also why they can get killed easy.

In-game stats aren't a factor in this. It's like you using the courier to back up your arguments.

I'd say a Vet would go down quicker. It takes me alot longer to knock a Centurion off than it does a Vet. Also, A Vet can do whatever. But think this way, a veteran is someone who's survived. And for a group of tribals who use more melee than guns to survive, that's saying something. I'd say not just agility wise, but durability wise, a Centurion would knock a Vet out of his helmet fast.

How dont in game stats factor this you just cant throw them out the door. Plus im not using the courier to back up anything didnt mention him once. If you want me to get realistic into this Conversation i will but if i did then i would proove to you how the Centurion would no win what so ever.

Because a suspension of belief is required when converting game logic into reality logic. By game logic, TLW and TC are god-like killing machines swathing through a see of blood and reloading saves when killed.

ok then in Real life logic the NCR vet ranger is far Superior to the Centurion.

Because...?

ok. 1. Battle commanders dont go out into the mists of battle the stay behind and give orders. 2. The Vet has a .50 cal which would devestate that Centurion at any range. 3. The centurion has a pices of other amor on him so there would be many down falls to his armor. 4. If the Centurion would happen to go out in battle and got close the The Vet all he has is melee weapons and a Hunting shotgun and a Maksmen carbine. 5. Considering that the Brush gun has some really good ammo it would make quick work of that Centurion. 6. The centurion would not be used to fighting out in the mists of battle after years of being a battle commander and loose his edge. 7. The vet is highly trained just like the Centurion but the Vet would get far more action since in military terms Battle commanders dont go out into the battle they just tell what to do. 8. The armor on the Vet is far supiour to the Centurions it is all in one piece no several like the Centurion.

So in other terms the Centurion is out gunned,maybe out skilled, also doesnt have the sufficent armor to go against this particular foe.

You do realize a Centurion has to fight in several campaigns and kill literally hundreds of people just to earn the privelege to become a Centurion right? And considering the Legion relies on melee weapons as opposed to guns, and besides, who cares? The NCR would do the same, you don't see their Vets on the front lines. So the Centurions would be hidden away and so would the Vets. Point in short, your NCR bias is clouding your ability at neutral opinion.

To add to the list Martyr just added, Centurion's armor is as good if not greater than the NCR's armor, it's made up from five-seven sets of armor and they also have AMR's (50. Calibers).

i do realize that they would have to kill thousands of people to get to that rank. Also when considering Sniper rifles and weapons that the vets have compared to the melee weapons that the Centurions use the Vet would come out on top because they have Superior firepower. Vets arnet on the front lines there up and sniping the People that are on the front lines they just arnt never used. The vet could actually be compared to a Green Beret but I dont know if Green berets have tons of sniper rifle training but i would assume they have some. The vet is experianced in close quarters combat, Meduim ranged combat, and Long range which is its specialty.

@ Boradam i have never seen a Centurion use a .50 cal in the game at all. i have no clue where you get your info. Also the Centurions armor is not by far superior to the Vets armor. Considering that the Vet is almost fully protected. And the Centurion is almost to.

I get my info from gameplay, every single Centurion fighting at Hoover uses a 50. Cal, A brushgun and one of them was even using a grenade machinegun.

Centurions armor was pieced together from armor used by mutants, the Brotherhood, Raiders, and a few others while the NCR just uses old pieces of armor that they just polished.

Which still protects them very well . I still have yet to see them wielding AMR's at all and Grenade machineguns. Very unethical considering they have older style tatics and use Melee weapons most of the time

What you see prior to Hoover, are not the legion's best.

But the NCR's Vet Rangers that you see before Hoover, are.

It just shows you how much more powerful the Legion can be and how they throw their enemies off by making them used to 'weaker' forces.

yes yes of course but they still get owned. If you would place these two groups in now a days life and style the VET would massacre them.

A straw man argument.

umm may i ask what a straw man argument is.

K two things.

1. It is far more likely that the Centurion would have more close-quarters combat experience, meaning they would have all the perks that go with it. They have a chance of knocking the opponent down with every swing, they can't be staggered by melee attacks, they can paralyze the opponent etc. If we're talking about the Centurion getting the jump on the Vet, it's far more likely that the Centurion will have him down before he has a chance to put the gun down and use that takedown.

2. I believe that experience and tactics are far more important than weaponry itself. In both battles of the Hoover dam, the Legion shows superior tactics: they get the jump on the NCR time and time again, DESPITE running around with hammers and shotguns when their opponents have sniper rifles and automatic weapons. The only reason the first battle was lost was due to a massive mistake made by the Legion's general himself whereas the NCR commanding officer made a brilliant one: the loss was specific to two men and the decisions they made, beforehand the Legion was winning. The entire game is filled with quests showing the NCR being unorganized and unprepared, whereas the Legion only has a couple tasks to ask of the player, generally ones they themselves could take care of alone. The tactics used by the Legion in the Second Battle show that they are VERY well aware that they're at a disadvantage when using hammers against snipers, and they show they can adapt to this. For these reasons, I'm arguing that a Legion Centurion is probably more than capable of creating/using a situation to get that jump on the NCR vet. The NCR vet on the other hand, if placed in a situation that is more favorable for the Centurion (AKA, close quarters combat), isn't going to be able to do much.

The Centurion and the Legion are constantly thinking, finding new ways to handle issues. The NCR on the other hand only stays the course: they don't adapt. I would argue the experience and the ability to adapt that the average Centurion shows are far more important than having a sniper.

We arn't in now-a-days life style when we are talking about things in Fallout, we are talking about them being there and the Centurions have far more experience.