[REL] Necessities of Morrowind 3.0 : III - Morrowind

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:33 pm

The common beer model works for me

I merged lists and now ducks from abot's mod are dropping beef
EDIT - This is not from your mod, it's actually in the duck script from the latest version of water life

I should have examined the levelled lists before I said anything

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:19 pm

I use the rolling pin fine. Only, I tend to forget one of the ingredients now and then and it so informs me. Perhaps you are using some kind of crafting mod that is conflicting?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:16 pm

I use the rolling pin fine. Only, I tend to forget one of the ingredients now and then and it so informs me. Perhaps you are using some kind of crafting mod that is conflicting?

Noper, I dont even own a rolling pin. Which is why its so odd. o_O;
I am doing a reinstall now, now that I tested out mods I found I liked some but others not my taste. Will see if removeing those will help with NOM.

This is a great mod.

Evil rolling pins aside.... XD

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:32 pm

The common beer model works for me

Model is fine. http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1461/mgescreenshot34.jpg.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3507/mgescreenshot33.jpg.

Am I missing something obvious here? I doubt missing water bottle icons wouldn't be noticed... I guess I'll try installing the icons again.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:36 pm

Dont know if this is a error thats been around before but, I get a pop up randomly sometimes saying somthing like "you dont know how to use a rolling pin to make food" and then the game crashes. Sort of odd XD

Let me know if reinstalling solves the problem. Seems like the rolling pin script is running in background for some reason; I'm guessing you got the message and crashes after activating something?

Model is fine. http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1461/mgescreenshot34.jpg.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3507/mgescreenshot33.jpg.

Am I missing something obvious here? I doubt missing water bottle icons wouldn't be noticed... I guess I'll try installing the icons again.

This is really weird. The icons are there, I'm sure of it. In the second screen you posted, not only the icon, but the mesh too is wrong (the water bottle should be full of liquid). Let's try to narrow down the problem...
Are you using NoM on a fresh game or on a savegame containing the previous version? Are you using the right esp?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:17 pm

This is really weird. The icons are there, I'm sure of it. In the second screen you posted, not only the icon, but the mesh too is wrong (the water bottle should be full of liquid). Let's try to narrow down the problem...
Are you using NoM on a fresh game or on a savegame containing the previous version? Are you using the right esp?

Fresh game, and I didn't have earlier versions installed in this installation. I just reinstalled the icons/meshes but that didn't do anything either. As far as I know I'm using the right esps. Here's my load order:

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_001_ Morrowind.esm_002_ Tribunal.esm_003_ Bloodmoon.esm_004_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm_005_ MW_Children_1_0.esm_006_ TR_Data.esm_007_ TR_Map1.esm_008_ TR_Map2.esm_009_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm_010_ GDR_MasterFile.esm_011_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm_012_ GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah].esp_013_ TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp_014_ Hold it replacer.esp_015_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP_016_ New Argonian Bodies - Clean.esp_017_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp_018_ DB_Attack_Mod.esp_019_ Hold it-COM addon.ESP_020_ Better Bodies.esp_021_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp_022_ EmmasDagonFel.esp_023_ EmmasTelMora1_0.esp_024_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp_025_ The Neverhalls.esp_026_ Creatures.esp_027_ Expanded Sounds.esp_028_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp_029_ Lgnpc_SN.esp_030_ Graphic Herbalism.esp_031_ Museum of Artifacts Improved Expanded.esp_032_ Homes To Let.esp_033_ New Khajiit Bodies - Clean.esp_034_ frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp_035_ TheUberCrystalEggHunt.esp_036_ Graphic Herbalism TR.esp_037_ GH_ES1.3 Patch.esp_038_ CR Ore Replacer 1.0.esp_039_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp_040_ Westly_Presents_BB_Almalexia_Add_on.esp_041_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp_042_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp_043_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp_044_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp_045_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp_046_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp_047_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp_048_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp_049_ DN-GDRv1.esp_050_ wl_dockclutter.esp_051_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp_052_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp_053_ Scrolls and SoulGems 1.1.esp_054_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp_055_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp_056_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp_057_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp_058_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp_059_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp_060_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp_061_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp_062_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp_063_ Nudity Greeting Expansion V1.esp_064_ JAC_Jasmine.esp_065_ Blight Bounties.esp_066_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp_067_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp_068_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp_069_ Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp_070_ Atronach Expansion X.ESP_071_ Texture Fix -TR -1.0.esp_072_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP_073_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP_074_ The Imperial Legion Badge.esp_075_ Keyring.esp_076_ Particle Arrow Replacer.esp_077_ EmmasKhuul.esp_078_ Hold it - SF npc addon.esp_079_ NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP_080_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP_081_ MDP Compilation.ESP_082_ Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP_083_ Clean Welcome to the Arena!.esp_084_ BTB - Spells.esp_085_ BTB - Alchemy.esp_086_ BTB - Equipment.esp_087_ BTB - Settings.esp_088_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp_089_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp_090_ UniqueFinery_NoRobe.esp_091_ Keening_Reforged_v2.0_GDR.ESP_092_ TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp_093_ TLM - Light Sources (Natural Water).esp_094_ TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp_095_ NEDE v1.2.esp_096_ Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp_097_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp_098_ sm_falmerarmor_0.1.esp_099_ Better Clothes (BTB Edit).esp_100_ BTB - Character (Alternate).esp_101_ Uvirith's Legacy CoM Add-on.esp_102_ NOM 3.0.esp_103_ NoM_Creatures Loot Standard.esp_104_ NoM_CoM Compatibility Patch.esp_105_ RoHT CoM Addon.esp_106_ RoHT NoM Addon.esp_107_ UL_RoHT_1.4_Compatibility.esp_108_ UL_MWSE_patch.esp_109_ UL_TLM_ambiance.esp_110_ Mashed Lists.esp

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:03 pm

_106_ RoHT NoM Addon.esp

Have you tried loading this before NoM? Or removing it?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:04 pm

_106_ RoHT NoM Addon.esp

Have you tried loading this before NoM? Or removing it?

Bingo. I just thought of that myself too, since it was meant for an older version. Indeed, removing it fixed the broken icons. Thanks!

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:28 am

Bingo. I just thought of that myself too, since it was meant for an older version. Indeed, removing it fixed the broken icons. Thanks!

Try loading it before NoM instead of removing it. I don't think it will give problems if you load it first.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:44 pm

Odd... It's working for me.
I'm using the 3.01 patch, from a fresh start.

Here is a screenshot:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6126/screenshot2ba.png

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:00 pm

All NOM equipment works fine, but I have a problem with the tisane book now. I completed both tisane quests before the update, everything was ok. Then I decided to create a grocery list for this book which was lying in a chest and the game crashed. It crashes every time I try to interact with this particular book. Other NOM books are good. I've posted my load order before, but just for сonvenience.

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GameFile0=Morrowind.esm
GameFile1=Tribunal.esm
GameFile2=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile3=TheGloryRoad.esm
GameFile4=abotWaterLife.esm
GameFile5=Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
GameFile6=BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
GameFile7=Better Heads.esm
GameFile8=MW_Children_1_0.esm
GameFile9=Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
GameFile10=Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
GameFile11=master_index.esp
GameFile12=Potions.esp
GameFile13=Animal Behaviour.esp
GameFile14=Clean Children V2.0.esp
GameFile15=Hold it replacer.esp
GameFile16=LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
GameFile17=AOF Potions Recolored T+B.esp
GameFile18=Stanegau Isle.esp
GameFile19=Of Love and Ignorance.esp
GameFile20=Dwemer Clock v12.esp
GameFile21=Morrowind Toy Shoppe.esp
GameFile22=BM-Fixes.esp
GameFile23=Daggerfall Collection Ver 1.1.esp
GameFile24=Lilarcor_v4-1.esp
GameFile25=Better Bodies.esp
GameFile26=Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
GameFile27=SirLuthor-Tools.esp
GameFile28=moons_soulgems.esp
GameFile29=Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
GameFile30=Unique Banners and Signs.esp
GameFile31=Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
GameFile32=Slof's Better Beasts a.esp
GameFile33=Barabus' fireplaces 2.esp
GameFile34=Changing Faces Replacer.esp
GameFile35=Hold it-COM addon.ESP
GameFile36=Korobal v1.2.esp
GameFile37=Annastia V3.3.esp
GameFile38=House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
GameFile39=abotWhereAreAllBirdsGoing.esp
GameFile40=Bouking Manor V2.0.esp
GameFile41=AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp
GameFile42=DXM_masterindex_journalfix.esp
GameFile43=Lothavor's Legacy.esp
GameFile44=True Gems V1.1.esp
GameFile45=Lothavor's Legacy BB addon.esp
GameFile46=Clean Zelda Estate Renovation Version Two.esp
GameFile47=A_flock_of_seagulls.esp
GameFile48=Lgnpc_SN.esp
GameFile49=IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp
GameFile50=Morrowind Crafting 2-1.esp
GameFile51=Morrowind Crafting Equipment.esp
GameFile52=Lantern replacer By Leeloo.esp
GameFile53=Slof's BB neck fix.esp
GameFile54=LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
GameFile55=Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
GameFile56=LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
GameFile57=Librarian with Jackets BM Trib.esp
GameFile58=BT_Lokken_child1.esp
GameFile59=LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
GameFile60=LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
GameFile61=New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp
GameFile62=BT_Whitewolf_2_0NOMaddon.esp
GameFile63=Clean Boe_faces_Seyda_neen.esp
GameFile64=New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp
GameFile65=Chalk30-Base.esp
GameFile66=L&L Addon.esp
GameFile67=ValityAIMod_VurtTrees.esp
GameFile68=LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
GameFile69=WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
GameFile70=Stinkers.esp
GameFile71=ASE Bloodmoon Expansion.esp
GameFile72=ASE Tribunal Expansion.esp
GameFile73=Drug Realism.esp
GameFile74=Clean Pegasus House BETA.ESP
GameFile75=BetterClothes_Patch.esp
GameFile76=LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
GameFile77=Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
GameFile78=LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
GameFile79=BetterClothesForTB.esp
GameFile80=LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
GameFile81=Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP
GameFile82=LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
GameFile83=SmokablePipes.esp
GameFile84=LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
GameFile85=Vurt's Solstheim Trees & Bushes Replacer.ESP
GameFile86=LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
GameFile87=Grass_AC&S.esp
GameFile88=Better Looking Liquors.esp
GameFile89=LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
GameFile90=IW Vality Combined.esp
GameFile91=LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
GameFile92=Smoke Hut.ESP
GameFile93=Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
GameFile94=The Sable Dragon 1.5.esp
GameFile95=LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
GameFile96=Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
GameFile97=LGNPC_SoulSicknessPatch_v1_00.esp
GameFile98=Abu's Retreat v.2.esp
GameFile99=Abu Manor v.2.esp
GameFile100=Creeper Cheater.esp
GameFile101=Divine Domina Pack.esp
GameFile102=Ice Divine Domina.esp
GameFile103=Emma Unique Heads.esp
GameFile104=Area Particle Arrows.esp
GameFile105=Hold it - NOM addon.esp
GameFile106=Morrowind Playable lutes.esp
GameFile107=NOM 3.0.esp
GameFile108=NoM_MC Compatibility Patch.esp
GameFile109=NoM_CoM Compatibility Patch.esp
GameFile110=Merged_Objects.esp

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:05 pm

Scripted books act strangely when the mods they rely on change or another mod adds/changes scripts on books. They are particularly vulnerable if you have them in your inventory when you make the change. I would suggest either finding another copy of that book or just dropping it and adding another copy to your game using the console. You may want to disable and/or delete the original from your game as that one single copy may *never* work correctly.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:49 pm

Scripted books act strangely when the mods they rely on change or another mod adds/changes scripts on books. They are particularly vulnerable if you have them in your inventory when you make the change. I would suggest either finding another copy of that book or just dropping it and adding another copy to your game using the console. You may want to disable and/or delete the original from your game as that one single copy may *never* work correctly.

Thank you for your advice, you were right. I added another copy via console, and it's ok. Is there any way to delete the bad copy from the chest?

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:39 am

Sure! Save before you do it because deleting scripted items can sometimes cause CTD.

First you need to put the bad copy somewhere in the game world. I don't think you can delete anything while it is in a container. Just pick it up and drop it on the ground. Open the console and click on the book so that its ID appears at the top of the console box. Type "disable" without the quotes and press enter. This will make it disappear. To completely delete it, then type "setdelete 1" (again without the quotes) and press enter. At this point, the ID *should* disappear from the top of the console box and it cannot be restored to the game. If, for some reason the ID doesn't go away, just close the console and go on. I don't know why sometimes it goes away and sometimes it doesn't, but setdelete is the command you want.

These commands can be used to get rid of a lot of things ingame. There are a few things you'll want to note:

* save before and after. Deleting scripted items can cause temporary instability which leads to CTD.
* Use the "disable" command first. If you have accidentally clicked on the wrong thing, as long as you don't click on anything else (thus removing its ID from the top of the console window), you can type "enable" (without the quotes) and then enter to return the item/NPC/static to the gameworld.
* If you make a mistake, reload your save and try again.
* the collision for the object may remain until you leave and re-enter that cell. For instance, if you delete a rock, you will have to walk around that spot until you change cells and come back.
* the item will only be gone from that save and saves made after the delete. saves made before the delete will still contain the item.

I happen to find it entertaining to use the 'setdelete' and 'placeatpc' console commands to customize my games. Have fun!

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:45 pm

That's a lot of useful information, thank you, Elaura. I'm familiar with "disable", but didn't know about "setdelete". Now I can get rid from the mixing bowl glued to the floor of Ald'ruhn Temple, not speaking about all those other opportunities.

The tisane book is not that easy, though. I cannot drop it on the floor without crashing the game. I can use the option "take all" and it is in my inventory, that's all. Any attempt to cursor it = crash. Hmm, I guess I have 3 option here: to delete the chest itself, to restart the house mod, to forget about it.
A question about ovens. I found two in Balmora, then combed Ald'ruhn and Gnisis and found nothing. Was I just unattentive, or Balmora is special somehow?

Sorry if it was addressed before.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:35 pm

That's a lot of useful information, thank you, Elaura. I'm familiar with "disable", but didn't know about "setdelete". Now I can get rid from the mixing bowl glued to the floor of Ald'ruhn Temple, not speaking about all those other opportunities.

The tisane book is not that easy, though. I cannot drop it on the floor without crashing the game. I can use the option "take all" and it is in my inventory, that's all. Any attempt to cursor it = crash. Hmm, I guess I have 3 option here: to delete the chest itself, to restart the house mod, to forget about it.
A question about ovens. I found two in Balmora, then combed Ald'ruhn and Gnisis and found nothing. Was I just unattentive, or Balmora is special somehow?

Sorry if it was addressed before.

I had the same issue with two of the NoM books when I updated, and got rid of them by selling them to one of the ephemeral re-spawning guar traders from Starfire's NPCs. In the past, though, I've eliminated crashy things from my game by either putting them in a corpse and leaving it for the 72 hour clean up to dispose of, or by putting them in a container in a cell I don't care about (like the exterior of Balmora, or good old Foryn Gilnith's shack) and then deleting that cell in Enchanted Editor. YMMV, of course. (And after some reflection, I suppose deleting the offending object directly from my inventory on EE would work just as well, but I've never actually tried it...)

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:38 pm

I've always wanted an in-game "recycle bin" for junk. What a great idea Sky, stashing junk in a corpse

Btw does anyone have a way to fix underweight encumberance issues without making a mod every time? Is there a mod out there to reset it?

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:03 am

I've always wanted an in-game "recycle bin" for junk. What a great idea Sky, stashing junk in a corpse

Btw does anyone have a way to fix underweight encumberance issues without making a mod every time? Is there a mod out there to reset it?

All your dreams will come true:

Fliggerty's Trash Compactor (I don't use this one b/c I'm trying to keep my MWSE-reliant mods to a bare minimum): http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4170

Encumbrance fixer (I use this one all the time): http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7520

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:18 am

fine.

Its the new NOM? Until now i have used an old version, i'm curious to discover the news about.
Mmm, but i need MWE/MWSE or not for run this NOM? i'm not into these.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:33 pm

YAAAAAAY!

I've been out of playing Morrowind for some months, its great to see my favourite immersive mod's upgrade is finally completed! Thanks very much to Taddeus and the rest of the contributors, I personally really appreciate the hard work that goes into NOM.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:36 am

fine.

Its the new NOM? Until now i have used an old version, i'm curious to discover the news about.
Mmm, but i need MWE/MWSE or not for run this NOM? i'm not into these.

It does not require MWSE, MWE, or MGE to run.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:56 am

A question about ovens. I found two in Balmora, then combed Ald'ruhn and Gnisis and found nothing. Was I just unattentive, or Balmora is special somehow?

Sorry if it was addressed before.

Many redoran buildings have an oven inside, so there was no need to add more of them. :wink_smile:

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:01 am

Well, brand new game new install. Still getting the rolling pin error.

Open a door, suddenly a box pops up saying " You dont know how to cook useing a rolling pin!". Then the game freezes and I have to ctrl alt delete out.

So very odd.

» Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:40 am

Well, brand new game new install. Still getting the rolling pin error.

Open a door, suddenly a box pops up saying " You dont know how to cook useing a rolling pin!". Then the game freezes and I have to ctrl alt delete out.

So very odd.

Maybe you're using some kind of old (2.13) NoM addon?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:43 pm

Maybe you're using some kind of old (2.13) NoM addon?

Seems like it, had to dig through there alot to find it but it was a house mod that was useing a older version. I thought I had removed all the addons but I missed it.
Sorry about that. XP
I want a real sweetroll T_T