Am I understanding this correctly?

Necromancer's Moon seems to imply that the revenant is able to obscure or limit the power and functioning of Arkay...therby allowing necromancers a free hand to operate in Darkness.


Who ascended to become this revenant

Mannimarco, the King of Worms ascended to become the God of Worms mentioned in the text.

Indeed. Mannimarco is now a moon of the god-planet Arkay, and whenever Mannimarco eclipses Arkay, bad things happen.

Interesting indeed...

Sounds like Mannimarco has a CCR soundtrack.

This was Mannimarco's plan to undermine Arkay's authority over life and death and to cheat a bit to help his followers, the Necromancers (most especially the Order of the Worm) to steal souls. There were extremely difficult and complicated ways to get around Arkay's barriers before, but the Revenant, which is the version of Mannimarco who ascended to "join the other gods in Oblivion (outer space)", makes it all too easy for them, and therefore Mannimarco continues to be a threat on Nirn, despite having one of his five remaining mortal avatars killed.

That is so... Brilliant. That is the work of extraordinary writers indeed. Whomever thought that twist up, it salute them. Imagine Arkay's wrath. Although I guess he's used to that sort of thing by now

Ah... now how easy does the undeath creation become on the night of the Moon, I wonder?

...Blowing up a moon never sounded so appealing.

I'm not sure what else the altars are used for besides creating black soul gems, but I imagine preparing a corpse for an undead minion in the shaft of light from Mannimarco the Revenant couldn't hurt its potency as a servant any.

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Astion/TheElderScrolls/nomoon.jpg

"Chewie, lock in the auxiliary power!"

Five mortal avatars?

People need to start marking their speculation. Words like, "it's been assumed that" or "some people think the Warp in the West did", or "from this and that you can infer that" rather then blatantly stating them as matter of fact.

Maybe it's four...I lost count..how many alternate timelines are there after the Dragonbreak?

Oh wait..I think the Jills of Akatosh fixed it or something, so maybe there was just one mortal Mannimarco and one Revenant, but the fact remains that the Altmer's death is irrelevant in the grander scope of Mannimarco's power.

My theory is that the different Mannimarcos merged into one, just as the timelines merged.

Yeah my bad... that was the retcon. Actions of the Jills of Akatosh, according to http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta.shtml.



This would imply he never became a god at all and remains a Mortal, who is now dead - but this is obviously not the whole truth as the Revenant exists. Some form of power or will of his joined the ranks of the divine, even if it was only an idea of projection of Mannimarco. Perhaps it was like the two past timelines of the Tribunal merging, except in this case it was the opposite and Mannimarco's future split in two, with one aspect of him continuing as Mannimarco and another alternative being becoming the Revenant.

However, despite the death of the Altmer mortal form, it makes sense to me that an undying Lich, the first of his kind, and King of necromancers might find a sword in his chest or a burnt corpse annoying but nothing worthy of stopping him. When you master death and become a lich, and have followers devoted to you AND had an aspect of yourself in the skies...

I would imagine it a simple matter to make a return to the mortal realm in a rotted corpse form and reclaim your lichdom.

As a newbie to the lore, please point me in the direction of where to get what this whole timeline split is about? >_>

The book The Warp in the West, and the various endings of Daggerfall.

My theory is that well...I have no theories. Ha! I'm sure most people seemed to have skipped about the Warp in the West never being resolved.

That's so damn funny I don't even care if its distracting you from modding.

I'm hoping he'll return as a lich in ES V. Then maybe when you fight him, he'll last longer than 5 seconds.

Something just popped into my head and then right back out again. The whole reference to the trinity of The Man, The Monster, and The God seems to ring a bell for me somewhere, but I just can't remember what it makes me think of. Possibly something involving the ego and human personality. >_>

My point was that if he does return, it'll most likely be a completely different incarnation if what I've been reading is right. You fight him as an Altmer in Oblivion, ambitious and powerhungry, but mortal. At the same time, The Lich and The God are still out there as seperate incarnations of the same idea. Note that I'm deciphering it myself. A bit of a Lore newb.

I suppose it's possible he still has a Lich form out there somewhere. It's certainly more in line with his Daggerfall appearance. There's no solid evidence to support this though.

His Daggerfall body could have been a reincarnation in and of itself, as if you recall there is the legend of his battle with Galerion long ago, before Daggerfall, in which he was a lich and it was thought he died in the battle.

However, Mannimarco had been in hiding, letting people think he was dead, likely while inhabiting a pathetic mortal form to replace his lichdom body lost in the fighting with Galerion. Then, equate in the DragonBreak and his body could have been further weakened, likely from the dividing of his being between mortal and god.

If he does return, it will likely be inhabiting a new, strong body of some past hero. And he would probably bide his time more than he had in Oblivion, to strengthen that form.