Does the Sword perk under 1H, called Bladesman, affect damage done with daggers?

Obviously daggers are not axes, or maces... but they are blades... just can't find any confirmation if it applies its effect to daggers or not, thus I haven't bothered taking the perk yet.

I'm dual wielding daggers right now, trying out a thief character for the first time so I'm a bit at a loss with the little tools like daggers. I'm used to being a big orc with a huge axe...

If anyone can confirm if the Bladesman applies to daggers or not that would be awesome.

Thanks!

Not sure. I heard sometime before the release that daggers only were affected by stealth perk, but I'm not sure that is the case. Short answer: Probably not.

pretty sure it doesn't. Daggers are meant for stealth, hence the x15 damage in sneak

I have the x15 damage from stealth perks already.

So what if I use dual swords instead?

Then I get the benefit of the Bladesman perk, AND x15 damage from Stealth?

If that's the case, then what point is there with using daggers?

I dunno, I just feel something isn't adding up right... wish the info/tooltips were more clear in regards to what applies to what.

The way I see it, x6 and x15 damage from stealth should only apply to daggers (however it doesn't say anywhere), and the perks from 1H would apply for swords, maces and axes. Arguably, people will then say "but I like to play an assassin with swords, or maces... why should I be punished for not using daggers?"

But on the flip side of that coin, if the x6 and x15 damage perks apply to all 1H weapons, am I not being punished by actually using daggers, since I then "gimp" myself out of the damage from the 1H perks?

Sword/mace/axes = 1H perks (5/5 giving you +80% damage, then Bladesman giving you another 30%) + x15 backstab from stealth?
Dagger = only x15 from stealth?

Need more confirmations

The 15x perk is for daggers only. Best use scenario is to backstab with dagger and then switch to swords or sword/dagger.

So do daggers benefit any at all from the 1H tree, or are daggers just rubbish for anything other than backstabbing due to the boosted damage factor in Sneak?

I think they do benefit from the armsman. At least guide for biggest hit I read stated that you have to get 5/5 armsman perk, you may want to get this confirmed via google. They also benefit from dw speed perk and bonus damage/reduced cost for power sttacks, but so do swords etc. The advantage of daggers besides the senak attack may be that any enchant should be most powerful on dagger thx to the fast speed of it.

Does anyone think the 15x dmg for daggers in backstab a little exaggerated? I dont see the point really... RP-wise, u can backstab with shortswrods as well.

I think the x15 is OK.

First of all, you need to actually get up behind the NPC to do the backstab, which in many cases might be very difficult (tight corridors, NPC is facing towards you, multiple NPC's wandering the area or room).

Secondly, if you do get close enough to backstab, the x15 means trash mobs will get killed. However in my experience, limited as it might be in regards to thief role, I find that the x15 is too little to oneshot the bosses (like bandit leaders, master vampires and so on), which is as it should be. Would be no challenge if you could oneshot bosses (though I heard some have come up with insane backstab numbers from stacking perks and so on). For my part though I'm so desperate to min/max that I have to squeeze every little drop out of it, especially not when it leads to "oneshotting a dragon" stuff.

The game would become utterly boring for me if I could do that much damage. I like a challenge, and I love the tip-toe fighting I have to do with dual wielding since I can't block power attacks and such. Love timing the hits and whatnot.

Thanks for the inputs though guys. Just nice to at least know I'm not wasting perks into something I wouldn't benefit from anyways.

Little Spoiler:

As far as I know, the perk adds to dagger damage. However, the enchantment (on gear) has no effect to dagger damage. When min/maxing, swords end up doing far more damage than daggers due to the latter.

My character has the five armsman perks and no investments in two handed weapons and the damage listed for a daggers is greater than for greatswords of the same type. So, yes, 1h perks applies to daggers.

Decapitation perk works on daggers aswell. Atleast I did it more than once with double daggers.

For some reason that just seems completely overboard