Im sure some of you tried this, grab a cup in Oblivion...sit down, relax, have a drink...of what? I was experimenting the many possibilities of RP options in Oblivion when I realized how fake the water was. I know I know, I have already heard all this dynamic water stuff. In Oblivion, I took a cup and dipped it into water, and pulled it out, what was in it? Nothing. I went for a swim, walked out of the water, but my character did not even seem wet. So, in Skyrim, will we be able to fill stuff up in rivers and streams? When we get out of water, will we be dripping wet? When it rains will we look like we are wet at all? When the wind blows suring a storm, will our cloths and hair/fur move with the wind like the tree branches? Will snow catch in our hair/fur? These are obvious things to add, yet they are never in the games, why? Is it really that hard to fill a cup with water?

I completely agree, it takes time to write that properly though, as well as CPU

Drakes's Fortune did this well.

Thank you for agreeing.

It should be like you only can grab things if you have no weapons out and your char is actually grabbing it.. It would be easier to put things down i think.. So that could help the water prob with cups if the water is dynamic..

It would be cool to see your characters hand actually reach out and grab it.

I want to be able to do fishy motions with my mouth when underwater.

Until they add that, TES is a no-go for me.

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Yeah, always wished he didn't dry off so fast though.

I think it is hard to fill your cup with water and all the rest in your post, but I bet Skyrim will have you getting wet, although, I'm obviously not positive. I'm also not sure if your fur/hair will blow in the wind, but I hope it will. I'd expect to get wet I think before I'd expect to see my fur or hair blowing in the wind. Hopefully we'll see all that is mentioned in the OP including snow collecting on the PC. I don't expect to fill a cup with water though. That takes some serious water physics. They could just create new water in the cup I guess rather than have it physically fill your cup, but I wouldn't expect that either.

Didn't two worlds or something do that too?

In real-time via simulation? WHy yes, yes it is hard.

But surely they could add it to a game without to much fuss.

How many people are going to attempt to manually fill a cup with water? In 2006, that's pretty damn ambitious. It also has NO gameplay use and for something so complicated--yes, it is complicated--it's obviously going to take a backseat to more important features.

It's unreasonable to expect that from a game that was released in 2006 and had so much going on in the first place. It's still a bit much to expect it from a game in 2011. I don't at all expect to be able to dip a cup into a river and lift it out filled with water, and you shouldn't either.

You're asking for way more than you seem to think you are.

Can't you RP there is something in the glass... I know there are limits to using imagination.

I don't think it will be so expansive that you can flood a city with a cup. But who knows, you might be able to fill a cup with water but it's so little if you tip it over, water will fall out but disappear. Also, I have faith that Bethesda will do a wet character affect thing.

Actually, yes, it's incredibly hard to make the cup properly filled, like if you tip it when it's full it would be emptied.

As for the other, they're possible, and we will probably see them.

I understand why it wasn't in OB, but still, it would be cool to have for RP reasons.

Nope. It'd be a lot of fuss. Now, you could make it possible to activate water bodies, FO3 style, and give a pop-up menu that lets you switch the cup items in your inventory for filled cups, but actually simulating water rushing in to the cup because you dragged it into the water is hard. It'd be a lot of effort to program and would be a big drain on the CPU. (because of all the little round balls you'd have to simulate moving)

Well thats isn't at all difficult to fill a cup with water, there only question why?
There was old game Arx Fatalis thats have interesting form of alchemy and great interactivity with world, one of features of game was reuse of bottles after you drink something empty bottle will left and then such bottle can filled with anything, water, wine, powders and alchemical substances, since game feature hunger water was need.
The same need can be achieved in Oblivion with mods
Basic Primary Needs
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37088
Let the People Drink
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10223

Well then I suppose we have a pro mod idea! (Kinda)

This is much more likely.

Assassins creed had a wet look after being in the water.. It too dried pretty fast. All in all .. Yes , I believe this stuff is very hard to do in game programing. A "wet look' is a different model.. the model has to transform seamlessly between the wet and dry models. As for filling up a cup with water.. Again.. yes. This I think would be incredibly difficult to program.. the cup would have to have an animation of filling up tied to water or bottles of wine or beer.. It would have to have animations for it being drunk down, at different levels within the glass. All that takes programming and time.
Water has come along way in just a few years.. so give it a litle more time. Heck, most games can't even get lighting in the dark correct.. Alan Wake of course did but that whole game was designed around it being dark.

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................................. you can't say that on the forum. People will get offended if they have to use thier imgaination in the game.

How ironic alot of people say that Oblivion holds your hand for alot of things, can't fail magic spells etc etc, but these are the same very people who can't use thier imagination for transports or pretending they are riding a beast or what not, so they are the ones who actually need thier hand held for realism in the game. :sadvaultboy:

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A lot of games like Uncharted, AC and RDR do this well these days. I'd like to see it in Skyrim, but it's probably not in, and I don't really care personally.

The problem with fully simulated fluid physics is that I think it's still too technically intensive for it to be done in games with modern hardware. Some games have attempted to simulate some degree of water physics, yes, but there are still considerable limitations to what you can do. But as has been said, filling a cup, or any other container with water, would not require that there be actual water physics, the method of simply allowing the player to "activate" a source of water thereby replacing a suitable container in the inventory with a filled one would achieve such results, albeit of course with less interactivity then actually putting it in the water to fill it. Though if you can fill cups and get a "filled cup" item as a result, it could look rather strange when no matter how you knock it over, the contents don'ty spill, but that would be avoided if it were bottles that you could fill instead.

Now, should this be in the game? Seeing as we can cook, I don't see why filling empty containers shouldn't be an option as well.

As far as making character's look wet after coming out of water goes, that's been done before, and it seems to me that it's mostly a matter of shaders, you don't need to actually simulate the physics of liquid sticking to surfaces, you just need to apply a shader effect that makes something look wet. So will Skyrim do it? I don't know, we'll see.

Like others posted, a real water simulation where a cup fills up with water if you drag it into the water is more or less impossible for a game (unless you have a preset animation for just a few items, but that's not really a water simulation). Won't happen. Activating water bodies so you can fill bottles in your inventory could easily be done though of course.



Could be in, could be done with a shader and some particle effects.



I don't think there will be cloth physics, wasn't this confirmed already? Pretty sure you'd have seen this in the trailer if it was in. Cloth physics are quite demanding, especially with the large amount of NPCs in Skyrim I doubt you will have anything like that. Probably like Oblivion.



Could be done with a shader, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to do if you wanted it to look correctly and not just cover the whole body with white sprinkles. Probably possible, but I doubt it.