Need Gods/Daedra explained to me

Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:47 pm

Regarding Tsun, Varieties doesn't explicitly mention him being a precursor for any of the divines (unless I missed it). If you have a source that indicates otherwise I'd be happy to look at it.


Ay, you know as well as I do that these things are often hinted at rather than spelled out explicitly. :)

In this case it's inference, reading into the similarity of the name 'Tsun' to Z'en, Xen and Zenithar, the similarities of these gods' spheres (Tsun's 'trials against adversity' correlates to Z'en's 'toil' and Zenithar's gentrified sphere of labour, craft and commerce - and this is in keeping with the visible trend that the spheres of Nordic gods tend to be rougher, harsher versions of their Merish and Imperial forms), and the similarities to Stuhn->Stendarr and Jhunal->Julianos which are known transitions from the Nordic pantheon to the Divines. Stuhn->Stendarr and Tsun->Zenithar even share similar sound changes.

Put it this way - I'd eat my Colovian Fur Hat if Tsun were just a completely isolated deity rather than an old aspect of Zenithar.
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:53 pm

Ay, you know as well as I do that these things are often hinted at rather than spelled out explicitly. :)

In this case it's inference, reading into the similarity of the name 'Tsun' to Z'en, Xen and Zenithar, the similarities of these gods' spheres (Tsun's 'trials against adversity' correlates to Z'en's 'toil' and Zenithar's gentrified sphere of labour, craft and commerce - and this is in keeping with the visible trend that the spheres of Nordic gods tend to be rougher, harsher versions of their Merish and Imperial forms), and the similarities to Stuhn->Stendarr and Jhunal->Julianos which are known transitions from the Nordic pantheon to the Divines. Stuhn->Stendarr and Tsun->Zenithar even share similar sound changes.

Put it this way - I'd eat my Colovian Fur Hat if Tsun were just a completely isolated deity rather than an old aspect of Zenithar.


Sounds very well reasoned - but just in case - passes the tomato sauce, mayonnaise and chilli sauce
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:38 pm

I'm pretty sure he does, since he created the universe.


Didn't Anu and Padomay create the universe? And then the eight formed from Anu and the Daedra formed out of Padomay? I'm not sure at all about this so this may very well be [censored], but for some reason it's stuck in the back of my head, so yeah...
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Post » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:34 pm

Didn't Anu and Padomay create the universe? And then the eight formed from Anu and the Daedra formed out of Padomay? I'm not sure at all about this so this may very well be [censored], but for some reason it's stuck in the back of my head, so yeah...


Try reading http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml

My precis is that generally Anu was first but then along came Padomay (aka Anuiel and Sithis) or maybe Padomay was a part of Anu that broke away. They existed in the Void or the Aurbis and they 'argued' over a woman and 'killed' each other but not before they created offspring. Lorkhan (the oldest of these offspring) having discovered The Grey Maybe (a massive tangle of possibilities) persuaded the other great Spirits of the Aurbis/Void to investigate and experience the Grey Maybe, thus triggering the creation of the Mundus ('mortal world') and Oblivion.

Hard to make an overview in precis that makes sense because as you see each race hasa a different take on things
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Post » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:36 am

Try reading http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml

My precis is that generally Anu was first but then along came Padomay (aka Anuiel and Sithis) or maybe Padomay was a part of Anu that broke away. They existed in the Void or the Aurbis and they 'argued' over a woman and 'killed' each other but not before they created offspring. Lorkhan (the oldest of these offspring) having discovered The Grey Maybe (a massive tangle of possibilities) persuaded the other great Spirits of the Aurbis/Void to investigate and experience the Grey Maybe, thus triggering the creation of the Mundus ('mortal world') and Oblivion.

Hard to make an overview in precis that makes sense because as you see each race hasa a different take on things


The story you tell is more akin to the one found in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/anuad.shtml, rather than the Monomyth.
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Post » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:58 am

The story you tell is more akin to the one found in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/anuad.shtml, rather than the Monomyth.


ty Dumbkid, nice link - that really adds a lot. As I said: "My precis is that generally" which results in a bit of a mish-mash. There is no one explanation as The Monomyth says. So what I try to do is include parts from each that the others gloss over. But when people ask the 'what happened' or 'what was' , 'what is it about' questions they usually expect one straightforward view so I try to give one with a link to the monomyth and a warning - in this case the word 'generally'. After that hopefully whichever of the books they read they will come up with something they recognise and they can then say to themselves - 'ah, so that was what really happened' - until they come accross the next and have to ask: 'now which one is correct'?
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Post » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:14 am

The idea behind 1s and 0s is that their interplay creates a stream of possibility, thus the gray maybe :) And from it comes others formed-of and forming the 1s and 0s to create more specific concepts and finally "Mundus" (the Game).

Yeah... I think too much :P
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Post » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:16 am

The idea behind 1s and 0s is that their interplay creates a stream of possibility, thus the gray maybe :) And from it comes others formed-of and forming the 1s and 0s to create more specific concepts and finally "Mundus" (the Game).

Yeah... I think too much :P


sounds technanumjical to me so I will just take your word for that - heh, and maybe one day I will have a real understanding of the 'simple' concept of binary
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