Need help with merging, load order, and other questions. : IV

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:20 pm

Ok, so I drudged through the many posts and guides about plugin merging (with TES4Gecko), and frankly am still not certain what's safe to merge in my load order, and I've run into a few other problems. That's my biggest problem right now, just figuring out what I should merge to get me below the limit and able to load all my mods.

I have 176 mods in my installer list, 170 actually installed. Unfortunately while that's well below 255, it amounted to 350 ESPs/ESMs. The majority of the mods are either visual enhancements or big quests. I have FCOM installed. I'll post my load order, but I don't know of any way to get Wrye Bash to list plugins that aren't loaded as well as those that are, since I'm so far over the limit. There isn't much rhyme or reason to what's currently selected in my load order. I did build a bash patch, which merged some mods so that at least shrinks the list a little.

I also was going to try cleaning some of the mods with TES4Edit, but like Wrye Bash, it only lists the mods that are checked on the list. I suppose I can disable a handful in order to enable the ones that need cleaning, but I was wondering if there's any way to have TES4Edit see those mods that aren't enabled.. it would certainly make things quicker.

Another thing I just noticed, all the INI tweaks in Bash are Invalid (orange) except for "All_Natural-18305-1-31.7z - Wizard Tweak [All Natural].ini". All other tweaks including the DarkUId DarN fonts, say they apply changes to All Natural.ini.

Finally, after I manage to get my whole load order listed, I'd love to take suggestions of any great mods I may have missed.

Here's my load order, but again, it's not all the mods and there's no particular sense as to what is loaded and what isn't.
Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.1]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]07  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.1]08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0D  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0F  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.0.7]10  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]11  HorseCombatMaster.esm12  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.2]13  ScreenEffects.esm14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.7]15  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp16  DLCShiveringIsles.esp17  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]18  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]19  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]1D  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1E  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3.1]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]21  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]22  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp23  Distant Chapel Bells.esp24  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Storms & Sound.esp25  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.1]26  WindowLightingSystem.esp27  BBB Better Bouncing Bread Loafs.esp28  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp29  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]2A  MM_TextLocks.esp2B  PTFallingStars.esp2C  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]2D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]2E  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]2F  Crowded Roads Revisited_ChorrolCheydinhal_40.esp30  Crowded Roads Revisited_GoldRoad_40.esp31  Crowded Roads Revisited_GreenRoad_40.esp32  Crowded Roads Revisited_YellowRoad_40.esp33  Immersive Travelers.esp34  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp35  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]36  Get Wet.esp37  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]38  ScreenControls.esp39  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]3A  DLCHorseArmor.esp3B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]3C  DLCOrrery.esp3D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  DLCVileLair.esp3F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]40  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp41  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]42  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]43  PTArtifacts.esp44  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp45  DLCThievesDen.esp46  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]47  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]48  OCR+COBL Luggage Patch.esp49  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp4B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]4E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]4F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]50  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]51  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]52  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]54  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]55  FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp  [Version 0.9.8]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]56  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.6Beta2]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]5E  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]5F  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]60  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]61  Trade and Commerce.esp62  AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp63  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]64  AyleidArrows.esp  [Version 1.8]65  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp  [Version 2.01]66  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 4.71]67  Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch - Natural.esp68  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1]69  hackdirtabyss.esp6A  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]6B  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp6C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp6D  OCR + Kvatch Rebuilt Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp6E  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp6F  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp70  GlenvarCastle.esp71  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]72  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp73  Malevolent.esp74  OCR + Malevolent Patch.esp  [Version 4.0]**  Star's Rest - AN Patch.esp75  thievery.esp76  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]77  Trail  South East.esp78  Trail  WEST.esp79  Trail  EAST.esp7A  Trail  Central.esp7B  Trails of Cyrodiil North Short Cut.esp7C  Valenwood Improved.esp7D  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp7E  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 3.0.4]7F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp80  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]81  DLCFrostcrag.esp82  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]83  OCOD+FrostcragSpire Patch.esp84  Knights.esp85  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]86  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]87  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]**  DLC_MOBS.esp88  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]89  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]8A  TOTF.esp8B  OCR + TOTF Patch.esp  [Version 6.0]++  TOTF Delayer.esp8C  RTT.esp8D  OCR + RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 4.0]8E  The Lost Spires.esp8F  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]90  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp91  ElsweyrAnequina.esp92  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp93  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp94  Walkabout.esp95  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.2]96  Better daedric shrines Namira.esp97  Better daedric shrines sanguine.esp98  Better daedric shrines Sheogorath.esp99  better daedric shrines Meridia.esp9A  Better daedric shrines Clavicus.esp9B  Better daedric shrines Vaermina.esp9C  better daedric shrines Nocturnal.esp9D  Better daedric shrines malacath.esp9E  Better daedric shrines molag bal.esp9F  Better daedric shrine Pyriate.espA0  Better daedric shrine Hircine.espA1  Better daedric shrine Azura.espA2  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.43]A3  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.0]A4  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp  [Version 1.0]A5  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.7]A6  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]A7  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]A8  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]A9  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.2]AA  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.1]AB  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.9]AC  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]AD  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.espAE  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]AF  xulTheHeath.espB0  XulEntiusGorge.espB1  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]B2  LostSpires-Everglade patch.espB3  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.espB4  Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]B5  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]B6  Trails of Cyrodiil - Colovian Highlands UL.espB7  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]B8  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]B9  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]BA  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]BB  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]BC  BetterDaedricShrineVaermina-AncientYews patch.espBD  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]BE  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]BF  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]C0  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]C1  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]C2  xulPantherRiver.espC3  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]C4  BetterDaedricShrinesMeridia-RiverEthe.espC5  NakedNord.espC6  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]C7  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]C8  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espC9  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]CA  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]CB  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]CC  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.1]CD  Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]CE  KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp  [Version 1.1]CF  bartholm.espD0  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]D1  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.6]D2  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]D3  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 2.0]D4  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 4.1]D5  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 1.1.1]D6  Better Cities - Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 0.3.0]D7  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion OC Reborn.esp  [Version 1.0]D8  OCR + OOO Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.espD9  NRB4+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]DA  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.4]DB  OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]DC  Better Abandoned House.espDD  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]DE  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]DF  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]E0  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]E1  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3]E2  Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp  [Version 1.6]E3  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.espE4  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.espE5  GP_Lockpicks.esp  [Version 1.5]E6  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]E7  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espE8  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.2.3]E9  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]EA  FearsomeMagicka.esp**  RenGuardOverhaul.espEB  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 5.5.5]EC  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espED  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espEE  DRSplatter.espEF  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 5.7]F0  immersive_caves_auto.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]F1  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.03]F2  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.espF3  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp  [Version 10.5DV-D]F4  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]F5  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]F6  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]F7  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]F8  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]F9  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0b]FA  OCR + Integration Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]**  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.0.7]FB  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.0.0]FC  Real Lights IC light overhaul compatibility.esp**  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]**  Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 4.9.8]++  Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp  [Version 4.9.5]FD  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp++  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp**  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]FE  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:10 am

Merging might not be necessary.

Install the mods you want, ghost the files that wrye bash merges, and then move unused files out of your data folder. With the numbers you are reporting, that will probably do the trick.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:10 pm

With Wrye Bash open in the Mods tab, right click on the Files header and select list mods.
That will list ALL the mods not ghosted. Including inactive mods merged to the Bashed Patch.
And as an added bonus, the list will be copied to the windows clipbaord so you can paste it directly into your post.

like so:
Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.1]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  VASE - core.esm08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.7]0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 4.5bSI]10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 4.5bSI]11  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 4.5bSI]12  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 4.5bSI]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  NaturalHabitat.esp15  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3.1]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]17  Storms & Sound.esp  [Version 3.0OBSE]18  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]19  WindowLightingSystem.esp1A  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp  [Version 2.11.Merged]1B  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]1C  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]1D  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]1E  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp1F  FormID Finder4.esp  [Version 4.51]20  Streamline 3.1.esp21  DLCHorseArmor.esp22  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]23  DLCOrrery.esp24  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]25  DLCVileLair.esp26  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]27  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp28  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]29  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  Armamentium female.esp2A  DLCThievesDen.esp2B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]2C  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2D  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp  [Version 1.5Cleaned]2E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]2F  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]30  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp  [Version 1.1]31  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]32  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]34  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]35  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]36  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]37  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]38  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]39  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]41  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c.Cleaned]42  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]43  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]44  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]45  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp46  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]47  Valenwood Improved.esp48  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp49  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]4A  DLCFrostcrag.esp4B  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4C  Knights.esp  [Version Cleaned]4D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp4E  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]4F  Blood&Mud.esp  [Version FinalCleaned]50  MannimarcoRevisited.esp51  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]52  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]54  ElsweyrAnequina.esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.1]55  ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp56  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp57  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp58  TelekineticDamage.esp  [Version 0.6]59  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]5A  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b.Cleaned]5B  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]5C  MidasSpells.esp  [Version 995A]5D  AudaciousMagery.esp  [Version 1.09]5E  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp5F  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]60  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]61  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]62  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]63  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]64  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Faregyl.esp65  300_Artifacts.esp

You'll even see errors. Did you notice the missing master listed at the end?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:19 am

Ah ok, all the inactive ones (not merged or imported, but specified as Non-Active) are ghosted. Turning off Auto-Ghost allowed other utilities to see the mods (now that I looked up exactly what ghosting is, kind of a "well duh" moment). However Bash still isn't listing the Non-Active mods in the "List Mods" list.

Also, all the merged and imported mods were already ghosted.

EDIT: There are about 44ish mods that are currently inactive that I need to make room for.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:49 am

There are some glaring issues with that mod list. The kinds of issue that, to be blunt, would not be there had you read the documentation as required, and followed all relevant instructions precisely.

Before you go about adding any more mods, or even thinking about merging plugins, I strongly suggest that you correct that which is already installed.

I do not intend to come across as being mean, or rude. My apologies if it seems that way, though. I know what it can be like, with advice that might not appear to be welcome at first.

Good luck, and I hope it all works out well for you.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:59 pm

There are some glaring issues with that mod list. The kinds of issue that, to be blunt, would not be there had you read the documentation as required, and followed all relevant instructions precisely.

Before you go about adding any more mods, or even thinking about merging plugins, I strongly suggest that you correct that which is already installed.

I do not intend to come across as being mean, or rude. My apologies if it seems that way, though. I know what it can be like, with advice that might not appear to be welcome at first.

Good luck, and I hope it all works out well for you.

I did read the documentation of all the mods. However since I ended up doing all the work late at night on little sleep over the course of two weeks it's entirely possible I missed something. It would be helpful if you could point out the "glaring" issues however.

EDIT: also keep in mind I did already say a lot of files are missing from that posted load order. As for direct conflicts, I didn't notice any that were completely incompatible when I went through the readmes the first time around... otherwise with no clues to what you're seeing, I have around 222 readmes to dig through... again.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:09 am

When I look at a Load Order, and see an FCOM build with Mart's Monster Mod Gems & Gem Dust.esp in it, I know someone skimmed the documentation.
OCR makes every city but the Imperial City an Open City, I use BBC for OCR, I do not have Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp or Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp in my Load Order.
You can use a CBash Bashed Patch to increase the amount of mods in your Load Order, but you will end up with missing water outside of the Cheydinhall East Entrance <--- This can be avoided by moving the OCR+Cheydinhall Falls patch after your Bashed Patch as an active mod, the water change is caused by the OCR + OOO.esp when used with CBash.
I can not see anything else glaringly obvious, but I do not use some of the mods that you have.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:23 am

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» Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:56 pm

When I look at a Load Order, and see an FCOM build with Mart's Monster Mod Gems & Gem Dust.esp in it, I know someone skimmed the documentation.
OCR makes every city but the Imperial City an Open City, I use BBC for OCR, I do not have Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp or Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp in my Load Order.
You can use a CBash Bashed Patch to increase the amount of mods in your Load Order, but you will end up with missing water outside of the Cheydinhall East Entrance <--- This can be avoided by moving the OCR+Cheydinhall Falls patch after your Bashed Patch as an active mod, the water change is caused by the OCR + OOO.esp when used with CBash.
I can not see anything else glaringly obvious, but I do not use some of the mods that you have.

Guess I rushed through those ones. Made the necessary corrections. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm having a hard time finding anything about Cbash. Been searching the help files looking for more info.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:36 am

I do not intend to come across as being mean, or rude. My apologies if it seems that way, though. I know what it can be like, with advice that might not appear to be welcome at first.

:wink_smile: I know exactly where your coming from with that statement.
My posts are often misinterpreted as that way because I'm often blunt, sometimes to the point of being curt.

@Briareos
Do take some advice though. Don't even attempt to run that load order without some serious testing.
The first step would be to ensure that your FCOM installation is working perfectly before adding anything else. When your completely satisfied turn on perhaps six more and retest. Rinse and repeat untill your mod list is complete.
Regardless of how experienced you may be with installing mods I can almost guarantee a mod list of that size will have some issues. Trying to troubleshoot will be frustrating, very difficult and exceptionally time consuming.
Also remember the age of Oblivion. It's engine was never the best even when it was first released.
No matter your rigs specs, Oblivion will possibly choke, especially if your running hi-rez texture replacers, various shaders through OBGE, LODS, mods with a heap load of NPC's and AI (FCOM) etc.

Again, good luck.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:23 am

Okay, well, the first thing I would suggest doing is running BOSS, and reading the html it spits out. Carefully. I do not mean it spits it out carefully... hm.

I suspect at least most of what I could see, it will see, and tell you about (also, what to do about). It really is that useful a tool, and not just for load ordering.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:42 am

I ended up cutting back a lot of the mods to mostly just FCOM, UI enhancements, and some graphic enhancements. I got it running and as far as I can tell it seems stable. I do have slightly low fps, but that can be tweaked easily enough. I created a character and started in Anvil as an immigrant (Alternative Beginnings). I then ran north up the coast a bit killing crabs until I made the mistake of tangling with some clannfears and died. I noticed that I forgot to run TES4LODGen after deactivating all those mods, so there were quite a few visual bugs of things appearing in the distance that weren't actually there.

Here's the current list
Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.1]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0A  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0B  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0C  ScreenEffects.esm0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.7]0E  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]11  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]14  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]15  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]16  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1A  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1B  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]1C  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]1D  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp1E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1F  WindowLightingSystem.esp20  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]21  MM_TextLocks.esp22  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]23  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]24  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp25  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]26  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]27  ScreenControls.esp28  DLCHorseArmor.esp29  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]2A  DLCOrrery.esp2B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2C  DLCVileLair.esp2D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]2E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]30  DLCSpellTomes.esp31  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]32  Thieves Arsenal.esp33  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp34  DLCThievesDen.esp35  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]36  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]37  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]38  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp39  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp3B  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]3D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]3E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]3F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]40  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]43  FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp  [Version 0.9.8]44  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]45  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]4F  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]50  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]51  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]52  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]53  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]54  thievery.esp55  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]56  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp57  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]58  DLCFrostcrag.esp59  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]5A  Knights.esp5B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]5C  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]**  DLC_MOBS.esp5D  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]60  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]61  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]62  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]**  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp63  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.2.3]**  RenGuardOverhaul.esp64  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 5.5.5]65  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]66  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]67  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]68  Sneaking Detection Recalibrated.esp  [Version ises]**  immersive_caves_auto.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp69  kuerteeDetectLifeEffectNightEyeShader.esp6A  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]6B  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]6C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp6D  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp

The last thing I deactivated before getting it to run without crashing upon selecting to start a new game, was Unique Landscapes. Might have to nuke that out if it was really the culprit.

EDIT: Getting clipping of my arms on attacks, and npc's no longer have loin cloths. More things to investigate. (the combat animations are from one of the currently inactive mods. Will have to figure out which.)

EDIT 2: I'm gonna just start over again. Gonna do a fresh install and probably avoid the combat mods this time. They caused some weird clipping issues (might have been just one of them, but uninstalling them all in BAIN didn't get rid of the glitch). Glad I converted almost everything to a BAIN package, will make it relatively painless.