We need siege weapons

Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:27 pm

....No....I'll only accept crossbows, no more..



No. This isn't gears of war.



Um, crossbows have been in the Elder Scrolls before. Try Morrowind out. And crossbows were around long before Gears of War.

omg! i cant stop laughing... :rofl:
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:33 pm

It really doesn't fit the Elder Scrolls mythos, unless sudden advancements in technology were made in the 200 years since Oblivion. Leave this idea for the mods! :D
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:25 pm

You can find a ballista in a the Nchuleft dwemer ruin in Morrowind. http://images.uesp.net//9/9d/MW-place-Nchuleft.jpg
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:48 am

Nope...
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Jay Baby
 
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:53 am

the title is a bit deceiving......
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:23 am

Amaranthine didn't read the OP!


. . . You are correct! My bad! In my defense, it IS a misleading title, despite the disclaimer. Knee-jerk reaction; I can't feel too sorry. :shrug:

Ballistae? Hmm, if there's a siege at any point, I wouldn't see the problem with it. It's in keeping the feel of the game. The engine can certainly handle it; mods were made in Oblivion. Is it worth it to put them in the game, though? It comes down to if there's a siege of some sort; siege weapons weren't used in Europe for anything besides that (until Genghis Khan figured out how to use them offensively in other arenas -- that was on the other side of the world from Europe though, in our timeline). Realistically, unless there's a huge siege event in the main quest ala the Battle of Bruma, you'll probably get static objects at best.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:26 am

It would be logical to build ballistas as defence against a dragon attack.
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:53 pm

My response: http://www.imglols.com/wp-content/main/2009_04/tennis-face.jpg
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:07 am

It would be logical to build ballistas as defence against a dragon attack.


Back in the day, those things were hard to aim at a massive effing wall. I remember seeing a reenactment on the History channel where it took an entire day to aim a trebuchet -- a more advanced and more easily aimed version of the ballista -- at a wall. I don't know how effective they'd be versus a dragon, which is able to fly and dodge.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:51 am

Back in the day, those things were hard to aim at a massive effing wall. I remember seeing a reenactment on the History channel where it took an entire day to aim a trebuchet -- a more advanced and more easily aimed version of the ballista -- at a wall. I don't know how effective they'd be versus a dragon, which is able to fly and dodge.

It does depend on the distance your shooting at. If a dragon comes at you, would you rather just use a bow or spear? I think not. You'd want a ballista type weapon too. And who knows, maybe you could equip the "ballistas" with more advanced Dwemer technology.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:35 pm

Which, of course, is short for Gunnhildr. We need many Gunnhildrs, preferably in coquettish barmaid outfits :hubbahubba:

Seriously though, I've opened those old gangrenous wounds surrounding the issue of guns in TES to sincerely broach the idea of siege weapons (ballistae, trebuchet, etc.), to which the name Gunnhildr is actually relevant (no that wasn't just a bad attempt at trolling, my thread has a unified purpose). You see, relatively recent etymological research posits that the word 'gun' is actually short for, you guessed it, Gunnhildr. Then, just as now, man felt the need to give his city-leveling weapons ridiculous names. These original guns were of course torque or counterweight driven weapons; only later was the name applied to cannons.

So yeah, linguistics lesson aside, there's a civil war going on in Skyrim. Siege weapons would be pretty swank, if a tad incongruous.

Guns as in Gunnhildr would not be so bad, but guns in the modern(or semi-modern) have, in my opinion, no place in a medival(-ish) setting. That's all.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:20 am

clever title! i don't mind either way.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:11 pm

I would definitely dig siege weaponry.

We already know it exists, in the lore, too... there have been a number of sieges throughout the Elder Scrolls in books and texts which depicted the use of such weaponry. If not being able to use it, just being able to -see- it would be pretty awesome. I always hated the way that the world felt like things we all KNEW should be there (the entire Imperial Province lacking a single BROTHEL? Really? We've all -read- plenty to know that THAT isn't right).

But yeah...

Count me in as sold on the idea.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:05 am

No [crossbows]. This isn't gears of war.


What the hell does gears of war have to do with crossbows. It's a medieval style RPG, they had crossbows in the medieval ages. They fit perfectly and they were in Morrowind.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:06 pm

What really kills me about the Gears of War comment...

... is I've never -seen- a crossbow in Gears of War. At all. I've seen a Torque Bow with the exploding arrows thing. Is there a crossbow?

Or are we just dealing with an idiot?
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:30 pm

Skyrim is a place where several warriors can line up and collectively shout at a city until the walls collapse.

it doesn't need battering rams or siege towers.


Why would they bother to make walls in the first place if they live in a world where shouting can bring them down?
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:48 am

I can remember one time, I had a misleading title and a mod locked it. The evilness of it all...

Anywho, bring on the clever magical seige weapons! No need for a battering ram when you could have a mage plant a rune on a wall and have it blow up. Asumming they're that strong...eh, a few mages then.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:58 am

The topic name is enough to get this thread locked.

topic names dont matter.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:06 pm

im ok with this!
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:46 am

How dare you get me to click on your thead thinking i'd have to flame!

But yeh... siege weapons r gud
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:39 am

why isn't the cold war considered world war 3? everyone was involved in it, and war is a boom for our economy and there is way too many people in the world right now

Because the Cold war was a war of words with a few minor hot wars such as the Korean war, Vietnam war and Cuban crisis thus cannot be considered a world war.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:50 am

Back in the day, those things were hard to aim at a massive effing wall. I remember seeing a reenactment on the History channel where it took an entire day to aim a trebuchet -- a more advanced and more easily aimed version of the ballista -- at a wall. I don't know how effective they'd be versus a dragon, which is able to fly and dodge.

A trebuchet is a magnitude larger than a ballista it is also a medieval weapon while the ballista dates back to the ancient Greece.
A ballista is basically a giant crossbow and is as accurate at one. Size ranged from the smaller ones who is simply a crossbow to large to carry to giants who was mounted on a wagon. The one in Morrowind is large and would require a team to recharge after use.

The trebuchet is basically a giant counterweight catapult, because of the counterweight and the large size it has to be build in place, they was used under sieges to break down walls as you say.
Ballista was also used on battlefields, mostly to keep the enemy from lining up to close to you, if they had to start longer away you would be ready then they come and the archers could start firing at maximum range. used in castles of the same reason, very popular on ships as it could do damage at great range, killing or wounding rowers would reduce speed.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:23 pm

I've edited your topic title to make it less guns and more siege weapons.
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Post » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:41 pm

I don't see why siege weapons when used appropriately would be bad.
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