From what I've gathered, there will be no spellmaking in Skyrim because the way spellcasting works makes it completely redundant. To throw a more damaging fireball, you don't pick a different spell, you charge the damn thing up. Want it bigger? Put that bad boy on both hands.

That covers power differences, but it doesn't cover spell combinations. If I want to combine a bunch of related spells into a single convenient spell, I should be able to do so. There should be a magicka cost that is higher than the sum of the spell's parts in order to balance it, but it should be possible.

What I would be satisfied with, would be spellmaking but some spell effects not being capable of being combined.
Like fire and frost, because it should make water, and its difficult to explain.

If you want to combine spells you can dual wield two different types of spells. It would be interesting to see if dual wielding different spell types actually combines them to an OB type spell instead of firing two separate spells.

That's stupid. Dual-wielding would only handle two effects at a time. Suppose I want to make a general defensive spell that combines Shield, Resist Fire, Frost, and Shock. That's a perfectly reasonable combination, isn't it? There's no way I'm going to sit around flipping through my spells to cast that, even if I can cast 2 effects at a time.

As long as I can delete spells, I'll be happy.

So...you guys want 80 spells at best divided equally into what 6-8 schools og magick? giving a total of what 10-13 spells for each school...AT BEST?

as stated it isnt about making Overpowered spells or whatever, that is no ones problem but your own, that isnt even an Argument. balancing as well isnt an argument their could have been far more better ways to balance magic use such as casting powerful spells beyond your scope costing Magicka AND stamina or some other detrimental effects or even spell failiures and the like, but no heavens be damned if the player is ever able to fail at anything.


we have Enchantment, what sense would it make to not have Spellmaking when you have enchantment....

So...you guys want 80 spells at best divided equally into what 6-8 schools og magick? giving a total of what 10-13 spells for each school...AT BEST?

as stated it isnt about making Overpowered spells or whatever, that is no ones problem but your own, that isnt even an Argument. balancing as well isnt an argument their could have been far more better ways to balance magic use such as casting powerful spells beyond your scope costing Magicka AND stamina or some other detrimental effects or even spell failiures and the like, but no heavens be damned if the player is ever able to fail at anything.


we have Enchantment, what sense would it make to not have Spellmaking when you have enchantment....

Unfortunately whether or not you or others like it, it seems that's what we're getting. What I don't understand is why everyone is so opposed to any change in design. You can't make a decision that it is bad when you haven't experienced how magic works in the game yet. Face it games evolve and TES is no different, if they didn't then it would just be the same thing over and over again.

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I could care less how magick works on paper in skyrim, as it stands it would be fleeting just shooting spells until something dies or the *wow* factor they are trying to achieve. why not have the elemental and secondary effects inherent to Magic spells and still allow for spell making? having 80 static spells IS having the same thing over and over again and is another avenue thats closed in regards to having one character play distinctively from another.

From what I've gathered, there will be no spellmaking in Skyrim because the way spellcasting works makes it completely redundant. To throw a more damaging fireball, you don't pick a different spell, you charge the damn thing up. Want it bigger? Put that bad boy on both hands. More powerful versions of the spells you already have will be unlocked with perks, most likely, or just be determined by your level in the appropriate skill. Sure, [censored] about that if you want, about how you want to cast different spells, not use different perks, but what that actually means is greater character variety, such that your one dude will be awesome with fire spells while another will fade from sight with little effort, and you can build your battle strategies around that. I personally will not miss spellmaking at all if this is what magic's going to be like. Spreadsheets, GTFO.

Unfortunately whether or not you or others like it, it seems that's what we're getting. What I don't understand is why everyone is so opposed to any change in design. You can't make a decision that it is bad when you haven't experienced how magic works in the game yet. Face it games evolve and TES is no different, if they didn't then it would just be the same thing over and over again.

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The current assumption for the reduced armor slots in Oblivion is to better balance enchanting (at least from what I know)
And there were better ways to balance it. I have a hard time believing that they realize how serious it is to many people. Just as im sure if they realized how much people would complain about armor slots in Oblivion they would have found a better way.

Eitherway I don't think they reviewed all options, and im sure they have one or two guys there trying very hard to make it work with the new system, but I doubt greatly all of the devs care about it much. Todd in general seemed very displeased about it when he talked about it.

Cast on use enchanting was removed because it was possible to make very powerful items.
weakness to fire+ fire damage 100 in 30 feet on target is just some of them.

I notice you failed to address the other major point I was making: Namely, spellcasting in the past four games has been boring as [censored]. I know your custom spells were probably a bit more useful than the ones the game provided, but that doesn't change the fact that they were often completely interchangeable, e.g. my example with fireballs, frostballs, and lightning bolts having the exact same effect on every target unless they were weak/resistant against the elemental effect in question. This did happen, sure, but the bottom line is that it was only ever a different color of sparkly stuff you were tossing around.

From what I've gathered, there will be no spellmaking in Skyrim because the way spellcasting works makes it completely redundant. To throw a more damaging fireball, you don't pick a different spell, you charge the damn thing up. Want it bigger? Put that bad boy on both hands. More powerful versions of the spells you already have will be unlocked with perks, most likely, or just be determined by your level in the appropriate skill. Sure, [censored] about that if you want, about how you want to cast different spells, not use different perks, but what that actually means is greater character variety, such that your one dude will be awesome with fire spells while another will fade from sight with little effort, and you can build your battle strategies around that. I personally will not miss spellmaking at all if this is what magic's going to be like. Spreadsheets, GTFO.