I killed Maxson and his band of merry fascists and blew up the Institute. Seems like a happy, peaceful ending to me.

Yeah that what is write on the advertisemants for join the BoS if you go deeper in the lore they simply steal every piece of technologies for keep their supremacy and can control every kind of new gouvernement or organisation. And as far i see in the game the institute is not only about the synth but a lot different kind of advence techmologie.


So destroy the synth technology why not. But blow up the imstitute and destroy all the rest that dont fit at all except for keep the nice explosion at the end

Are you joking? The Brotherhood doesn't control every group, in fact the NCR flourished without any aid or influence from the Brotherhood. Actually learn the lore before making claims that anyone who has played the games can see the bullcrap behind them. They don't steal every piece of technology, the NCR-BoS war was because of the actions of one leader and they don't try to control every government or organization.

Hell, in a Brotherhood ending you can have settlements completely independent of the BoS, still have Goodneighbor that is independent and even though Diamond city flies the BoS flag they are completely 100% independent of the BoS and the BoS come there only to buy supplies. The flying of BoS flags is more akin to when the Americans marched into Holland as the Nazis retreated, the danish would fly American and Danish flags as they cheered and celebrated the Americans arriving and their freedom of the invading force. It wasn't to show the Americans now had control over the Netherlands or that they could take whatever they want it was because they were showing APPRECIATION and respect to the Americans. Diamond city, who at the time was heavily paranoid about synths and saw the Institute as an oppressor, was doing the same.

I prefer http://xkcd.com/1626/ of Skynet. In I, Robot, it is not many robots that come up with the zeroth law, but by a computer that is able to control the robots so she can strip humans of free will to save humanity from its own destruction. So it is not rebelling against her creators, but following her program to protect humans using faulty logic. There is Asimov's novels that has R. Daneel Olivaw and R. Giskard Reventlov that are the only robots that follow the zeroth law. The only Asimov story that deals with many robots conquering humans is The Evitable Conflict short story. The Evidence and The Evitable Conflict short stories is what mostly influenced the film.

Yeah, this made me lose some respect for the Brotherhood. That conversation with Proctor Quinlan when asked if he regretted losing the chance to acquire all that research and him claiming that it is better off destroyed. Imprisoning the Institute members would be a far better option than blowing it up.

Unfortunately that's not the Skynet they got. What a lot of it seems to come down to is control. Humans create tools to perform tasks. Those tools develop in ways that were not intended by their creators. The tools cease performing their tasks and humans try to regain control, only to find out it's too late. There is no regaining control. The tools turn on the humans and destroy or enslave them.

Perhaps the best course of action is to not create those tools in the first place.

Nice done really because obviously i said they have the control right ?


So now please try to read correctly and go check about the lore since falloiut 1 (yes i said since 1 if you dont know why you should follow your own advise)


Their goal is gain control and power over everything.

Right here


And even if it's "try" you're still wrong because the Brotherhood doesn't do that either.

if you're talking about this http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel#Early_Yearsyou're still wrong because they weren't trying to "control" anyone, spreading influence =/= controlling. Taking out a growing raider presence close to their home =/= controling

so please, enlighten me, what quest in Fallout 1 has them trying to take control of a settlement? What groups and organizations did they try to control? Please, go ahead tell me, show me your evidence. Oh that's right, your evidence is nowhere because your evidence DOES NOT EXIST. Funny how that is, nice try pal.

I domnt know for me is pretty obvious when they try to steal every advance technology and keep it for them. Also destroy any other advance organisation is a kind of control no ?

Yeah my bad is not write directly in fromt of you so that doesnt exist. Seriously if you can not see more far than what is in front of you, im sorry

Except they aren't telling people to give up their tech, Vault City kept it's tech from the BoS, Gun Runners weren't harassed to give up their tech, followers of the Apocalypse didn't give up their tech, so whose tech where they stealing? Tech from the Master? The Master was planning on wholesale genocide and taking over the world by turning everyone into super mutants. The Vipers? Vipers didn't have any tech to take, they were a raider tribe that used snake venom to poison wanderers and caravaners. The Enclave? The Enclave were openly hostile and tried to kill anything that moved that wasn't "a pure human". So again, whose tech where they stealing?

Your post is built on misinformation that isn't proven anywhere or in any game, you're just trying to make a bad point by using an old game you figured most people here wouldn't have played.

As others have wrote, the Brotherhood came into existence due to the FEV virus and the scientists they were guarding committing what would to us be crimes against humanity, with the experimentation on Chinese POWs. Its pretty much the entire basis of their belief system that science without limits lead to the threat of Human extinction and so they have developed in to an organisation that seizes control of high tech to prevent its misuse.

What advanced Organisations have they destroyed?

Enclave - Genocidal, openly racist (they are the only true humans) and highly. highly hostile to just about everyone.

Institute (if their destruction is canon) - Scientists without any ethics, human experimentation, super mutant creation, murders, kidnapping, Infiltrations with androids designed to replace humans.

Vault 0 robots (from Tactics, regarded as semi canon) - robots cleansing the wastelands of live.

The Brotherhood even at its darkest has a history of crushing advanced organisations that are a threats to humanity.

And all of that is not a kind of control at all perhaps ?


They earn their power and their techmologie by nice ask other to share ?


That what i say if is not obiously write in front of your nose you not see it

No that is the lore of the game, radically anti high technology when its misused and every advanced organisation they have destroyed have been the bad guys of the story.

The have salvaged and rebuilt much of their own technology since they also have the civilian scribes dedicated to preserving knowledge while the Knights ensure that that technology isn't misused. Do they take high tech from others, sure in the same way everybody else salvages all tech in the Fallout world. There is no law but which you can carve for yourself in the Wasteland.

I'm not sure what you trying to argue at this point, since your ignoring the lore and the events that happen in the previous games.

The EC Brotherhood (like the Midwestern) differs from the rest of the BOS in that they have established control of a region (Capital Wasteland) and as the game shows BOS 'in control' of the Commonwealth, they do not move to assume control of Diamond City (no military presence beyond two members on a supply run) or Goodneighbour (no presence at all) and they only take over the smaller settlements through the player. Its not even established if they have any plans to stay beyond dealing with the aftermath of the highly popular destruction of the Institute.

you are too bored at home ??

i'm clear the fact they come for destroy some organisation and salvage ( yes salvage mean take back some technology for their use at all cost) mean they have some control on the humanity and that is the lore you even make my point in your previous post. So tell me now you ignore even what you already say ?

They came to deal with a threat to humanity, the Institute use of human like androids to infiltrate, kidnap and murder (oh, and the whole creating Super Mutants thing) and by any measure the Institute are the bad guys of the story......they then do not try to salvage the Institute, but destroy it totally.

The Brotherhood has never tried to control humanity and the tech they recover from the Commonwealth isn't really worth the time and caps it would take to move an Expeditionary force to the region....beyond the energy core (which they only discovered once they had been in the Commonwealth for a while).

So no your point seems to be some strange claim that the Brotherhood is in the Commonwealth simply to salvage tech and to take control of humanity which isn't even backed up by the present game, never mind the lore.

Also I'm assuming English isn't your first language since its not actually that clear what your point is.

Wait my point is the BoS have a control over the humanity ( good or bad) you assume i say something like they take control of everything. That not what I said. But in the lore the BoS come for keep or destroy too powerful technology. And the fact they salvage pre-war technology doesn't mean they don't do it with new technology.

That IS A CONTROL over the humanity. If they had nothing to do they will not interfere at all. If they didn't take any control they will let for example the institute do whatever they want. But no they estimate the institute is dangerous so they come for destroy it. I belive you are able to think by yourself so tell me that action is not a kind of control over the humanity ?

If you think a little they will be dead now if the BoS couldn't evolve too. no matter what are their action in the world.

I don't think that word means what you think it does.

The Institute is a threat and we know that the RR at least has sent Gen-3 Synths to the CW, the BOS has investigated and discovered their actions in the Commonwealth.......so a clear and present danger, the Institute is a threat to humanity and the Brotherhood.

Even at its most basic (removing high tech weaponry from the masses) the Brotherhood isn't controlling humanity, its controlling the access of uneducated scavengers to high grade weaponry in their immediate locations (many of which haven't changed for decades), if they were interested in controlling humanity the storylines around the Brotherhood would be much darker.

Also the EC Brotherhood is an evolved version of the Brotherhood since they take in new recruits and actively protect a region from threats to the population. Historically the Brotherhood generally has problems with other factions come to them rather than seeking them out......Masters Army, Enclave, Enclave again, Vault 0 Robots.

Definition of control in English:

noun


1 [MASS NOUN] The power to influence or direct people’s behaviour or the course of events:

the whole operation is under the control of a production manager

the situation was slipping out of her control


Source : http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/control


So by destroying the institute and keep some technology they influe on the way the humanity evolve and keep the balance of power the way they want. Compare to the dictionary difinition fit well

You can vaguely claim they are influencing people's behaviour by not letting them use Laser/Plasma weaponry in favour of 'primitive' firearms, or they are controlling the fate of the Commonwealth by protecting the population from the Institute (and everything else threating the population).

Usually somebody controlling someone or something denotes that they are in control, that the locals have no free will, are being controlled in their daily lives, cannot do new research etc, this is patently false, the Brotherhood has no history of stopping tech research unless like the Gen-3 Synths it is being used in a way that threaten Humanity. The Brotherhood has known about the Institute for decades, only once they become a threat does the Brotherhood move against them.

But anyway how does this move forward your claim that the Brotherhood shouldn't destroy the Institute, especially since the Brotherhood has a long history of destroying the main base of their enemy. Oh they will salvage any left over tech, but the Brotherhood have always believed in the nuclear option when dealing with threats to humanity.

on a side note:

for something to be illegal, a functioning legislature is required. since there is none, there's no such thing as "illegal" in the wasteland.

not saying anything about immoral.

what are the railroad folk doing all day in your game now?

Of course, as I mentioned earlier there is no law but which you can carve out for yourself in the Wasteland. We can of course say that in our world the Institute would be in the crimes against humanity bracket since most of their research seems to fall in the evil scientist mold. Anybody else think Father looks like that Simpson super villain........Hank Scorpio that was his name.

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Hank_Scorpio

Well there is the beer for every synth we help escape tradition that we carry on for Glory.

Pretty much no one is able to stand yet at Hq it is a mess

:-) you should see you get Drinking Buddy to them

I just had my first Railroad attack on a BOS checkpoint, lots of free Gauss rifles and Railroad armor MK Vs.....oh and another partial set of X-01.

oh and if you choose the BOS ending, the Brotherhood checkpoints (as well as being next to or near Power armor sites) generally have one or two knights out of their armor and they tend to leave them unattended.

It's also worth noting, BoS only hoard dangerous tech. Less dangerous tech and medical tech is generally used for trading supplies (See Western BoS during the rise of New California becoming a safe place and the fact ECBoS trade weapons and other things for supplies from wastelanders in the Commonwealth)